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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
But you with tell me of the stream of Divines are for it; there is a little Rivules that is not acknowledged by Gerhard, loc. co. To. 4. p. 583. he quotes Galvin, Beza, Bucanus; and for Beza, Walaeus doth acknowledge, tutius judicat ut priuserudiantur. Hunnius also, Rivet, S•ith is against it.1
- 1To. 1. p. 492. on Gen. 17. p. 343. de bapt.
Let me add one more of no small note, Tertullian in those words, veniant dumb adolescunt, veniant dumb discunt, which words you must either understand as some do against Infant-baptism altogether, as divers do, saith Lauren. upon Te•tul. and conclude from hence, and a place of Nazian. Orat. in San•. Lavac. that these two Fathers were against Infant-baptism [though I think Nazianzen speaks enough in that Occasion to clear his mind] or if you will not rake it so, you must take it that Tertullian there speaks against baptising by sureties, and he that reads two lines before shall easily perceive that is his meaning; and so Mr. Marshall interprets him, and that clearly:1 so then you have not all on your side. So much for your way of Adoption.
Let me adde one more of no small note, Tertullian in those words, veniant dum adolescunt, veniant dum discunt, which words you must either understand as some doe against Infant-baptisme altogether, as divers doe, saith Lauren. upon Te•tul. and conclude from hence, and a place of Nazian. Orat. in San•. Lavac. that these two Fathers were against Infant-baptism [though I think Nazianzen speaks enough in that Ocation to cleare his minde] or if you will not rake it so, you must take it that Tertullian there speaks against baptising by sureties, and he that reads two lines before shall easily perceive that is his meaning; and so Mr. Marshall interpres him, and that clearely: