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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
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1. He observes,1 I am diffident rather then confident of my opinion. Sir, I did write as a man who was troubled about it, my Arguments at present casting the scale on the negative side, though I had not such down weight as I desired: but truly Sir I see nothing as yet to ma•e me recall my opinion, for all that is said (excepting Mr. Cawdrey's notion of Adoption in which your self are not clear) I knew before. 2. I observe sometimes you dress my Argument with such a fashion that I cannot know it to be mine, but disclaim it, then you find fault: p. 439. where have I mentioned the power of godliness as a requisite in him who claims Baptism? but to bring up a child in it is a harder matter: I have not liberty to enlarge. 3. Sometimes your answer is a bare laying down your own Judgement, with a Similitude added for illustration. P. 441. We now c•ll for Scripture and reason from thence; Similia at pompam non ad puguam. 4. For my fi•st Argument for the negative, p. 449.450. which you say was Mr. Blackwood's. I never saw any thing of his, but I took it from our Brethren's practise, and it was that (with one thing more) which led me into my practise: for when I saw the Presbyterial Brethren keep back half or three quarters of their Churches from the Lords Supper, and that for divers years together, yet did so constantly baptise their children, I thought with my self, where have these men a ground for this practise? in all the New Testament I could not find one, nor reason for it, but rather against ⟨p. 53⟩it for the Old Testament, though I knew some were kept back for Ceremonial uncleanness from the passover, yet for Moral uncleanness to be kept back many years, and still to have their children circumcised, I found no text for that.
1. He observes,1 I am diffident rather then consident of my opinion. Sir, I did write as a man who was troubled about it, my Arguments at present casting the scale on the negative side, though I had not such downe weight as I desired: but truly Sir I see nothing as yet to ma•e me recall my opinion, for all that is said (excepting Mr. Cawdrey's notion of Adoption in which your selfe are not cleare) I knew before. 2. I observe sometimes you dresse my Argument with such a fashion that I cannot know it to be mine, but disclaime it, then you sinde fault: p. 439. where have I mentioned the power of godlinesse as a requisite in him who claims Baptism? but to bring up a child in it is a harder matter: I have not liberty to enlarge. 3. Sometimes your answer is a bare laying downe your owne Judgement, with a Similitude added for illustration. P. 441. We now cll for Scripture and reason from thence; Similia at pompam non ad puguam. 4. For my fist Argument for the negative, p. 449.450. which you say was Mr. Blackwoods. I never saw any thing of his, but I tooke it from our Brethrens practise, and it was that (with one thing more) which led mee into my practise: for when I saw the Presbyteriall Brethren keep back half or three quarters of their Churches from the Lords Supper, and that for divers years together, yet did so constantly baptise their children, I thought with my selfe, where have these men a ground for this practise? in all the New Testament I could not sinde one, nor reason for it, but rather against