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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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4. When I was ordained by the Presbytery, I thought I had the power ⟨p. 8⟩§4of a Pastor conveyed to me: now one part is to Rule, I think, but to say I cannot put forth that power alone, but I must have more Elders to join with before I can do any thing; I desire to see a Scripture for that, because Discipline was carried on by more then one in the Examples we have in the Scripture, there being more then one Officer in those Churches, must this needs conclude; Therefore the power of a Pastor must lie dormant, if he have no other Elders to join with him, though his people do as I said before, I should deny this consequence.
4. When I was ordained by the Pr•sbytery, I thought I had the power ⟨p. 8⟩§4of a Pastour conveyed to me: now one part is to Rule, I thinke, but to say I cannot put forth that power alone, but I must have more Elders to joyne with before I can doe any thing; I desire to see a Scripture for that, because Discipline was carried on by more then one in the Examples we have in the Scripture, there being more then one Officer in those Churches, must this needs conclude; Therefore the power of a Pastour must lie dormant, if he have no other Elders to joyne with him, though his people doe as I said before, I should deny this consequence.
5. §5Suppose I stay till the Classis be formed and Act, shall we have power then to reform? But suppose my people ask other Ministers of the Classis besides my self, what power they have to reform them, who made them Rulers over the people against their wills and consent, having called none but my self for their Pastor? you must have a call you say to put forth your power actu secundo, in another Church.