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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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To conclude this Head of Self confutation: I am not yet beaten off, but that passage of the Leiden Professors, do a little favour me, the question was, whether if there be a great number in the Church, who offend in Doctrine of Life, may we now use Excommunication? The answer is, If men be openly and contumaciously corrupt, Let the multitude be great, yet to such, godly Pastors ought not, nor may give the Sacraments of Divine Grace, but with one consent they must be denied, and commit the event to God: because godly Pastors may not communicate the Signs of Grace to them, to whom Christ doth openly deny them, and forbids the Communicating of them.
To conclude this Head of Selfe confutation: I am not yet beaten off, but that passage of the Leyden Professors, doe a little favour me, the question was, whether if there be a great number in the Church, who off•nd in Doctrine of Life, may we now use Excommunication? The answer is, If men be openly and contumaciously corrupt, Let the multitude be great, yet to such, godly Pastours ought not, nor may give the Sacraments of Divine Grace, but with one consent they must be denyed, and commit the event to God: because godly Pastours may not communicate the Signes of Grace to them, to whom Christ doth openly deny them, and forbids the Communicating of them.
Here I observe, they do not stand for the Excommunication of a multitude, for these words Sacraments, and Signs of Grace, if there be Enallage numeri, that they should mean only the Lords Supper. I should marvel at it, that there should be so much pains taken in solving of the question, and then to come and tell us only of Suspension from the Supper, which is so common a thing.
Here I observe, they doe not stand for the Excommunication of a multitude, for these words Sacraments, and Signes of Grace, if there be Enallage numeri, that they should meane onely the Lords Supper. I should marvell at it, that there should be so much paines taken in solving of the question, and then to come and tell us onely of Suspension fromthe Supper, which is so common a thing.