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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Dr. Ames speaks something for me.1 Qui aliquo modo in professione sua ad Ecclesiam pertinent, sed foedus tamen Des apert• violant, corum Infantes cum aliquo discrimine debent Baptizari: it a scilicèt ut quod foedus requirit, & in ipfis deest, per aliquos quantum fieri potest suppleatur. 1. Nam distinctio aliqua inter puros & impuros debet in sacris omnibus observari, ad bonorum consolationem; correctionem malorum, & omnium adificationem. 2. Instituta Dei non possunt aliter ab omni pollutione couservari. The Doctor I suppose would have Sureties joined, but if these Sureties cannot be proved to be an appointment of God, then he is yet stronger for me.
Dr. Ames speakes something for me.1 Qui aliquo modo in professione sua ad Ecclesiam pertinent, sed foedus tamen Des apert• violant, corum Infantes cum aliquo discrimine debent Baptizari: it a scilicèt ut quod foedus requirit, & in ipfis deest, per aliquos quantum fieri potest suppleatur. 1. Nam distinctio aliqua inter puros & impuros debet in sacris omnibus observari, ad bonorum consolationem; correctionem malorum, & omnium adificationem. 2. Instituta Dei non possunt aliter ab omni pollutione couservari. The Doctor I suppose would have Sureties joyned, but if these Sureties cannot bee proved to be an appointment of God, then hee is yet stronger for mee.
- 1Conse. l. 4. c. 27. Sect. 6.
By this time I hope I have cleared my self in the Judgement of an indifferent Reader from Self-confutation; I knew this Church-membership was the strongest Argument that could be brought, and therefore mentioned it; that Church-members might challenge any Ordinance, while let alone, I could not think otherwise, but that therefore I was bound to administer the Seals, as if their challenging, which comes only by reason of their Toleration in the Church, would make my Administration warrantable, though they are never so wicked, and tolerated sinfully, this I could not believe. So that my Self confutation ariseth from something, you put upon me, which I own not; the great strength then of your Book against me, I hope is weakened, and all those answers from hence, which you make great use of, are no answers.