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A peaceable and temperate plea for Pauls presbytery in Scotland, or, A modest and…A peaceable and temperate plea for Pauls presbyterie in Scotland, or, A modest and…
A peaceable and temperate plea for Pauls presbytery in Scotland, or, A modest and brotherly dispute of the government of the Church of Scotland wherein our discipline is demonstrated to be the true apostolic way of divine truth, and the arguments on the contrary are friendly dissolved, the grounds of separation and the independency [sic] of particular congregations, in defence of ecclesiastical presbyteries, synods, and assemblies, are examined and tried / by Samuel Rutherfurd ...A peaceable and temperate plea for Pauls presbyterie in Scotland, or, A modest and brotherly dispute of the government of the Church of Scotland wherein our discipline is demonstrated to be the true apostolick way of divine truth, and the arguments on the contrary are friendly dissolved, the grounds of separation and the indepencie [sic] of particular congregations, in defence of ecclesiasticall presbyteries, synods, and assemblies, are examined and tryed / by Samuell Rutherfurd ...
London: printed for John Bartlet, 1642London: printed for Iohn Bartlet, 1642
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I answer, the doctrine of independency standing, we see not how a Church wanting the right matter and consisting of members who are not professed believers having saving faith, can be any thing but a non-Church, and such as is a non-Spouse, a non-body of Christ, and a non-covenanted people, and so wanting all power of the keys.
I answer, the doctrine of independency standing, we see not how a Church wanting the right matter and consisting of members who are not professed beleevers having saving faith, can be any thing but a non-Church, and such as is a non-Spouse, a non-body of Christ, and a non-covenanted people, and so wanting all power of the keyes.
Qu•re. If the baptism of that congregation can be valid baptism, not to be repeated, I leave to the consideration of the learned. Yea, if the Minister be an unbeliever by the former grounds, it can be no baptism. But some •ay it is the baptism of the Church, and so valid, suppose the Minister be an unbeliever, and so want power.
Qu•re. If the baptisme of that congregation can be valid baptisme, not to be repeated, I leave to the consideration of the learned. Yea, if the Minister be an unbeleever by the former grounds, it can be no baptisme. But some •ay it is the baptisme of the Church, and so valid, suppose the Minister be an unbeliever, and so want power.
I answer, the whole congregation may be unbelievers, as is the Minister, and so yet the baptism coming from the Church, cometh from these who want power, and cannot be valid.