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A trial of the new-church way in New-England and in old ... by that…A tryall of the nevv-church vvay in New-England and in old ... by that…
A trial of the new-church way in New-England and in old ... by that learned and godly minister of Christ, John Ball of Whitmore ; penned a little before his death and sent over to the New England ministers, anno 1637, as a reply to an answer of theirs in justification of the said positions ... ; now published ... by William Rathband and Simeon Ash.A tryall of the nevv-church vvay in New-England and in old ... by that learned and godly minister of Christ, John Ball of Whitmore ; penned a little before his death and sent over to the New England ministers, anno 1637, as a reply to an answer of theirs in justification of the said positions ... ; now published ... by William Rathband and Simeon Ash.
London: printed by T. Paine and M. Simmons for Thomas Underhill, 1644
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Thirdly, there is not the same reason of every Church privilege, for one may have right to some, who is not to meddle with others. The members of one society may hear the Word, join in Prayer, and receive the Sacraments in another, when they are not to meddle in the election and ordination of their teachers. The Ministers of the Gospel may preach the Word, and administer the Sacraments in another congregation, and hereto he needs no other calling but that God offers an opportunity; there is much need of his help, and he is entreated, or hath leave from them in place or office; but he is not to admit members into the society, or cast them out that be admitted. And if the Pastor of one Church shall preach or administer the Sacraments in another, contrary to the liking and approbation of the Society and Governors, though the act be irregular, it was never esteemed a nullity; but if he shall presume to excommunicate the members of another society, without the consent or the Church, and approbation of Pastors and Teachers, under whose charge and jurisdiction they live, it hath been judged a mere nullity. Therefore the proposition is not so evident as to be taken without proof, that they have no power to admit a believer into communion in any Church privilege who have no power to excommunicate.
Thirdly, there is not the same reason of every Church priviledge, for one may have right to some, who is not to meddle with others. The members of one society may hear the Word, joyne in Prayer, and receive the Sacraments in another, when they are not to meddle in the election and ordination of their teachers. The Ministers of the Gospel may preach the Word, and administer the Sacraments in another congregation, and hereto he needs no other calling but that God offers an opportunitie; there is much need of his help, and he is intreated, or hath leave from them in place or office; but he is not to admit members into the societie, or cast them out that be admitted. And if the Pastor of one Church shall preach or administer the Sacraments in another, contrary to the liking and approbation of the Society and Governours, though the act be irregular, it was never esteemed a nullitie; but if he shall presume to excommunicate the members of another societie, without the consent or the Church, and approbation of Pastors and Teachers, under whose charge and jurisdiction they live, it hath been judged a meer nullity. Therefore the proposition is not so evident as to be taken without proofe, that they have no power to admit a beleever into communion in any Church priviledge who have no power to excommunicate.