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A trial of the new-church way in New-England and in old ... by that…A tryall of the nevv-church vvay in New-England and in old ... by that…
A trial of the new-church way in New-England and in old ... by that learned and godly minister of Christ, John Ball of Whitmore ; penned a little before his death and sent over to the New England ministers, anno 1637, as a reply to an answer of theirs in justification of the said positions ... ; now published ... by William Rathband and Simeon Ash.A tryall of the nevv-church vvay in New-England and in old ... by that learned and godly minister of Christ, John Ball of Whitmore ; penned a little before his death and sent over to the New England ministers, anno 1637, as a reply to an answer of theirs in justification of the said positions ... ; now published ... by William Rathband and Simeon Ash.
London: printed by T. Paine and M. Simmons for Thomas Underhill, 1644
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Before we proceed to declare our selves concerning this position: It will be needful that some things be premised, for the explication of the terms thereof. We suppose,
BEfore we proceed to declare our selves concerning this position: It will be needfull that some things be premised, for the explication of the terms thereof. We suppose,
1 By a Liturgy and form of Prayer, you mean not a form of private Prayers composed for the help and direction of weaker Christians: but the System or body of public Prayers generally used in the English Parishes, complied for the Churches use by other men not infallibly guided by God, to be said or read out of a Book by their Ministers as the Churches Prayers. And that this is your meaning, may appear from your Letter it self, wherein you complain that divers in many parts of that Kingdom have left their Assemblies, because of a stinted Liturgy. Now we know not of any other stinted Liturgy from which the people do absent themselves, but only that which is in use in the English Churches.
1 By a Liturgy and forme of Prayer, you mean not a forme of private Prayers composed for the helpe and direction of weaker Christians: but the System or body of publike Prayers generally used in the English Parishes, complied for the Churches use by other men not infallibly guided by God, to be said or read out of a Book by their Ministers as the Churches Prayers. And that this is your meaning, may appeare from your Letter it self, wherein you complain that divers in many parts of that Kingdome have left their Assemblies, because of a stinted Liturgy. Now we know not of any other stinted Liturgy from which the people do absent themselves, but onely that which is in use in the English Churches.
For as for a form of Prayer in general, we conceive your meaning cannot be of that. For it is evident that many Preachers constantly use one set form of Prayer of their own making before their Sermons, with whom the people refuse not to join.