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The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by…
The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by His Sacred Majesty as commissioners for the review and alteration of the Book of common prayer, &c. : being an exact account of their whole proceedings : the most perfect copy.
London printed : s.n., 1661
THE PAPERS That passed between the COMMISSIONERS Appointed by His M… › Reply
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The shreds cited by you prove a Liturgy indeed, such as we have used while the Common Prayer-book was not used, where the Psalms, the words of Baptism, and the words of Consecration, commemoration and delivery of the Lords Supper, and many other, were used in a constant form, when other parts were used as the Minister found most meet so Sursum Corda was but a warning before, or in the midst of devotion, such as our [Let us pray] and will no more prove that the substance of prayer was not left to the Minister's present or prepared Conceptions, than Ite missa est, will prove it. The Gloria patri Bellarm. himself saith, according to the common opinion was formed ⟨p. 112⟩in the council of Nice, which was in the 4th Century. And even then such a particular testimony against the Arians might well stand with a body of unimposed prayers, and rather shows that in other things they were left at liberty; If the Benedicite, the Hymns, or other passages here mentioned, will prove such a Liturgy as pleaseth you, we pray you bear with our way of worship, which hath more of Hymns and other forms then these come to; That these Liturgies had no original from general Councils adds nothing with us to their Authority, but showeth that they had an arbitrary original: and all set together, shows that then they had many Liturgies in one Prince's Dominion, and those alterable, and not forced, and that they took not one Liturgy to be any necessary means to the Churches unity or peace, but bore with those that used various at discretion. We well remember that Tertull, tells the Heathens that Christians showed by their conceived Hymns, that they were sober at their religious feasts, it being their custome [ut quisque de scripturis sanctis, vel de proprio ingenio potest, provocetur in medium Deo canere] Apol. cap. 39. Note here 1. that though there be more need of forms for singing then for praying. yet even in this, the Christians in public had then a liberty of doing it de proprio ingenio, and by their own wit or parts. 2. That those that did not de proprio ingenio, did it de scripturis sanctis, and that there is no mention of any other Liturgy, from which they fetch so much as their Hymns. And the same Tertul. Apol. cap. 30.
The shreds cited by you prove a Liturgie indeed, such as we have used while the Common Prayer-book was not used, where the Psalms, the words of Baptism, and the words of Consecration, commemoration and delivery of the Lords Supper, and many other, were used in a constant form, when other parts were used as the Minister found most meet so Sursum Corda was but a warning before, or in the midst of devotion, such as our [Let us pray] and will no more prove that the substance of prayer was not left to the Minister's present or prepared Conceptions, than Ite missa est, will prove it. The Gloria patri Bellarm. himself saith, according to the common opinion was formed