A69535:440
The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by…
The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by His Sacred Majesty as commissioners for the review and alteration of the Book of common prayer, &c. : being an exact account of their whole proceedings : the most perfect copy.
London printed : s.n., 1661
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Sect. 5. P. 16. [The 2d. Collect, &c.] We do not find, nor do they say, what is to be amended in these Collects; therefore to say any thing particularly, were to answer to we know not what.]
Reply. We are glad that one word in the proper Collects, hath appeared such to you as needs a Reformation, especially when you told us before that the Liturgy was never found fault with by those to whom the name of Protestant most properly belongs]; which looked upon our hopes of Reformation, almost as destructively as the Papists Doctrine of Infallibility doth, when we dealt with them. As for the Collects mentioned by us, you should not wonder that we brought not in a particular Charge against them: For first, we had a conceit that it was best for us to deal as gently & tenderly as we could with the faults of the Liturgy, and therefore we have under our Generals, hid abundance of particulars, which you may find in the Abridgement of the Lincolnshire Ministers, and in many other Books; And Secondly, we had a conceit, that you would have vouchsafed to treat with us personally in presence, according to the sense of his Majesty's Commission, and then we thought to have told you particularly of such matters: but you have forced us to confess, that we find our selves deceived.
Reply. We are glad that one word in the proper Collects, hath appeared such to you as needs a Reformation, especially when you told us before that the Liturgy ws never found fault with by those to whom the name of Protestant most properly belongs]; which lookt upon our hopes of Reformation, almost as destructively as the Papists Doctrine of Infallibility doth, when we dealt with them. As for the Collects mentioned by us, you should not wonder that we brought not in a particular Charge against them: For first, we had a conceit that it was best for us to deal as gently & tenderly as we could with the faults of the Liturgy, and therefore we have under our Generals, hid abundance of particulars, which you may find in the Abridgement of the Lincolnshire Ministers, and in many other Books; And Secondly, we had a conceit, that you would have vouchsafed to treate with us personally in presence, according to the sense of his Majestie's Commission, and then we thought to have told you particularly of such matters: but you have forc'd us to confess, that we find our selves deceived.