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The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by…
The grand debate between the most reverend bishops and the Presbyterian divines appointed by His Sacred Majesty as commissioners for the review and alteration of the Book of common prayer, &c. : being an exact account of their whole proceedings : the most perfect copy.
London printed : s.n., 1661
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Reply.
Can there be any hurt or danger in the people's being taught to understand the Church aright? Hath not Bishop Hall taught you in his life of a Romanist, that would have faced him down, That the Church of England is for Transubstantiation, because of Kneeling, p. 20. And the same Bishop (greatly differing from you) saith in the same Book, p 294. But to put all scruples out of the mind of any Reader concerning this point, let that serve for the upshot of all, which is expressly set down in the fifth Rubric in the end of the Communion set forth, as the judgment of the Church of England, both in King Edward and Queen Elizabeth's times (note that) though lately upon negligence (note upon negligence) omitted in the Impression] and so recites the words. Where you say, there is no great need, &c. We reply, 1. Profaneness may be opposed nevertheless for our instructing the people against Idolatry. 2. The abounding of Papists who in this point seem to us Idolatrous, showeth that there is danger of it. 3. The commonness of Idolatry through the World, and the case of the Israelites of old, show that mans nature is prone to it. 4. Profaneness and Idolatry befriend each other; As God is jealous against Idolatry, so should all faithful Pastors of the Church be, and not refuse such a caution to the people and say, There is no great need of it.
Can there be any hurt or danger in the people's being taught to understand the Church aright? Hath not Bishop Hall taught you in his life of a Romanist, that would have faced him down, That the Church of England is for Transubstantiation, because of Kneeling, p. 20. And the same Bishop (greatly differing from you) saith in the same Book, p 294. But to put all scruples out of the mind of any Reader concerning this point, let that serve for the upshot of all, which is expresly set down in the fifth Rubrick in the end of the Communion set forth, as the judgment of the Church of England, both in King Edward and Queen Elizabeth's times (note that) though lately upon negligence (note upon negligence) omitted in the Impression] and so recites the words. Where you say, there is no great need, &c. We reply, 1. Profaneness may be opposed nevertheless for our instructing the people against Idolatry. 2. The abounding of Papists who in this point seem to us Idolatrous, sheweth that there is danger of it. 3. The commonness of Idolatry through the World, and the case of the Israelites of old, shew that mans nature is prone to it. 4. Prophaneness and Idolatry befriend each other; As God is jealous against Idolatry, so should all faithfull Pastors of the Church be, and not refuse such a caution to the people and say, There is no great need of it.