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A treatise of liturgies, power of the keys, and of matter of the visible…A treatise of liturgies, power of the keyes, and of matter of the visible…
A treatise of liturgies, power of the keys, and of matter of the visible church. In answer to the reverend servant of Christ, Mr. John Ball. By Thomas Shepherd, sometimes fellow of Emanuel-College in Cambridge, and late pastor of Cambridge in New-England.A treatise of liturgies, power of the keyes, and of matter of the visible church. In answer to the reverend servant of Christ, Mr. John Ball. By Thomas Shephard, sometimes fellow of Emanuel-Colledge in Cambridge, and late pastour of Cambridge in New-England.
London: printed by E. Cotes for Andrew Crooke, 1652
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Reply. The prayers of the Ministers conceived or stinted in a set form be not his private prayers, but the public prayers of the assembly; but you will not say the people ought not to join with their pastor therein if ought be amiss, for matter, manner, or both.
Reply. The prayers of the Ministers conceived or stinted in a set forme bee not his private prayers, but the publike prayers of the assembly; but you will not say the people ought not to joyn with their pastour therein if ought bee amisse, for matter, manner, or both.
Answ. There is a wide difference between the whole Liturgy, so imposed, and so clogged, as is before showed: and such prayers of the Minister having something amiss. But you may put the case so, as it would be unlawful for people to join in such prayers also: as if the Minister for matter usually pray to Saints, for manner, turn himself, and fix his eye on a Crucifix.
Answ. There is a wide difference betweene the whole Liturgie, so imposed, and so clogged, as is before shewed: and such prayers of the Minister having something amisse. But you may put the case so, as it would bee unlawfull for people to joyne in such prayers also: as if the Minister for matter usually pray to Saints, for manner, turne himselfe, and fix his eye on a Crucifix.
Reply. It is all one to the people in this •ase, whether the fault be personal (as some distinguish) or otherwise; known before hand or not known; for if simple presence defile, whether known before hand or not, all presence is faulty, and if simple presence defile not, our presence is not condemned by reason of the corruptions known, whereof we stand not guilty.