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A treatise of liturgies, power of the keys, and of matter of the visible…A treatise of liturgies, power of the keyes, and of matter of the visible…
A treatise of liturgies, power of the keys, and of matter of the visible church. In answer to the reverend servant of Christ, Mr. John Ball. By Thomas Shepherd, sometimes fellow of Emanuel-College in Cambridge, and late pastor of Cambridge in New-England.A treatise of liturgies, power of the keyes, and of matter of the visible church. In answer to the reverend servant of Christ, Mr. John Ball. By Thomas Shephard, sometimes fellow of Emanuel-Colledge in Cambridge, and late pastour of Cambridge in New-England.
London: printed by E. Cotes for Andrew Crooke, 1652
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Reply. It is all one to the people in this •ase, whether the fault be personal (as some distinguish) or otherwise; known before hand or not known; for if simple presence defile, whether known before hand or not, all presence is faulty, and if simple presence defile not, our presence is not condemned by reason of the corruptions known, whereof we stand not guilty.
Reply. It is all one to the people in this •ase, whether the fault bee personall (as some distinguish) or otherwise; knowne before hand or not knowne; for if simple presence defile, whether knowne before hand or not, all presence is faultie, and if simple presence defile not, our presence is not condemned by reason of the corruptions knowne, whereof wee stand not guiltie.
Answ. First, we distinguish not here between personal and ministerial faults, but object against the personal act of him that joins with that whole Liturgy, and so in the corruptions of it, as he must needs do, that joins with the whole, not only saying Amen to them, but as is known he takes his share in those shreds of prayers, Responds, &c. which in Mr. Cartwrights judgement is so absurd, as makes a man seem out of his wits. And therefore his personal, actual conformity must needs carry guilt, and therefore there is more then simple presence in this case, as is clear to any understanding.
Answ. First, we distinguish not here between personall and ministeriall faults, but object against the personall act of him that joynes with that whole Liturgie, and so in the corruptions of it, as hee must needs doe, that joyns with the whole, not onely saying Amen to them, but as is knowne he takes his share in those shreds of prayers, Responds, &c. which in Mr. Cartwrights judgement is so absurd, as makes a man seeme out of his wits. And therefore his personall, actuall conformitie must needs carry guilt, and therefore there is more then simple presence in this case, as is cleare to any understanding.