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A most necessary & fruitful dialogue, between [the] seditious libertine or rebel Anabaptist, &…A most necessary & frutefull dialogue, betwene [the] seditious libertin or rebel Anabaptist, &…
A most necessary & fruitful dialogue, between [the] seditious libertine or rebel Anabaptist, & the true obedient christia[n] wherein, as in a mirror or glass ye shall see [the] excellence and worthiness of a christia[n] magistrate: & again what obedience is due unto public rulers of all th[os]e [that] profess Christ yea, though [the] rulers, in extern & outward things, to their utter damnation, do otherwise then well: translated out of Latin into English, by Iho[n] Veron Senonoys.A most necessary & frutefull dialogue, betwene [the] seditious libertin or rebel Anabaptist, & the true obedient christia[n] wherin, as in a mirrour or glasse ye shal se [the] excellencte and worthynesse of a christia[n] magistrate: & again what obedience is due vnto publique rulers of all th[os]e [that] professe Christ yea, though [the] rulers, in externe & outward thinges, to their vtter dampnatyon, do otherwyse then well: translated out of Latyn into Englishe, by Iho[n] Veron Senonoys.
Worcester : Imprinted the third day of April. Anno. Do. 1551. At Worcester in the high street, by John Oswen. They be also to sell at Shrewesbury. Cum priuligio ad imprimendum solum, 1551Worcester : Imprynted the third daye of Aprill. Anno. Do. 1551. At Worceter in ye hygh strete, by Ihon Oswen. They be also to sell at Shrewesbury. Cum priuligio ad imprimendum solum, 1551
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SI. This is my meaning. Then the kingdom of Christ, is not of this world, that is to say, it doth not consist in outward dominion & power, whereby it followeth that it is destituted or spoiled of glory, pomp, riches, & outward puissance and might Wherefore we ought to be here the outcast of the world, we shall at length reign with Christ in the regeneration.
SI. This is my meaning. Then ye kingedom of Christe, is not of thys world, yt is to say, it doth not consist in outward dominion & power, wherby it foloweth yt it is destituted or spoiled of glory, pomp, riches, & outward puissaunce and myghte Wherfore we ought to be here ye outcast of ye worlde, we shal at length reygne wt Christ in ye regeneration.
JO. I do say nothing against thee, but that thou dost gather thereby, the christians have no need of a magistrate, that I do deny. The reason, why? ⟨image 40⟩Because that Christ speaketh so of his kingdom, that in the mean season,1 he doth not condemn nor take away the magistrate. Besides that, the christians are not bare spirits, but they dwell yet in the flesh which they do carry about. As touching the spirit, by the which man is renewed & made a christian, he hath no need of a magistrate. For the inward man can be preserved with no outward things. But as touching the flesh, which he beareth about, & his outward conversation, man hath as much need of a Magistrate, as of meat, and other outward things. For it is a like reason to say:2 The kingdom of the christians is not of this world, ergo they have no need of a magistrate, and to say: The kingdom of the Christians, is not of this world: ergo, they need no meat. For meat is eaten in this world.
IO. I do saye nothing against ye, but that yu dost gather therby, ye christians haue no nede of a magistrate, yt I do deny. The reason, why?