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A most necessary & fruitful dialogue, between [the] seditious libertine or rebel Anabaptist, &…A most necessary & frutefull dialogue, betwene [the] seditious libertin or rebel Anabaptist, &…
A most necessary & fruitful dialogue, between [the] seditious libertine or rebel Anabaptist, & the true obedient christia[n] wherein, as in a mirror or glass ye shall see [the] excellence and worthiness of a christia[n] magistrate: & again what obedience is due unto public rulers of all th[os]e [that] profess Christ yea, though [the] rulers, in extern & outward things, to their utter damnation, do otherwise then well: translated out of Latin into English, by Iho[n] Veron Senonoys.A most necessary & frutefull dialogue, betwene [the] seditious libertin or rebel Anabaptist, & the true obedient christia[n] wherin, as in a mirrour or glasse ye shal se [the] excellencte and worthynesse of a christia[n] magistrate: & again what obedience is due vnto publique rulers of all th[os]e [that] professe Christ yea, though [the] rulers, in externe & outward thinges, to their vtter dampnatyon, do otherwyse then well: translated out of Latyn into Englishe, by Iho[n] Veron Senonoys.
Worcester : Imprinted the third day of April. Anno. Do. 1551. At Worcester in the high street, by John Oswen. They be also to sell at Shrewesbury. Cum priuligio ad imprimendum solum, 1551Worcester : Imprynted the third daye of Aprill. Anno. Do. 1551. At Worceter in ye hygh strete, by Ihon Oswen. They be also to sell at Shrewesbury. Cum priuligio ad imprimendum solum, 1551
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JO. I do say nothing against thee, but that thou dost gather thereby, the christians have no need of a magistrate, that I do deny. The reason, why? ⟨image 40⟩Because that Christ speaketh so of his kingdom, that in the mean season,1 he doth not condemn nor take away the magistrate. Besides that, the christians are not bare spirits, but they dwell yet in the flesh which they do carry about. As touching the spirit, by the which man is renewed & made a christian, he hath no need of a magistrate. For the inward man can be preserved with no outward things. But as touching the flesh, which he beareth about, & his outward conversation, man hath as much need of a Magistrate, as of meat, and other outward things. For it is a like reason to say:2 The kingdom of the christians is not of this world, ergo they have no need of a magistrate, and to say: The kingdom of the Christians, is not of this world: ergo, they need no meat. For meat is eaten in this world.
IO. I do saye nothing against ye, but that yu dost gather therby, ye christians haue no nede of a magistrate, yt I do deny. The reason, why? ⟨image 40⟩Because that Christe speaketh so of hys kingdom, that in ye mean season,1 he doth not condempne nor take away the magistrate. Besides that, the christians are not bare spirites, but they dwel yet in ye flesh which they do cary about. As touchyng the spirit, by the whych man is renued & made a christian, he hath no nede of a magistrate. For the inwarde manne can be preserued with no outward things. But as touching the flesh, whiche he beareth about, & his outward conuersation, man hath as muche nede of a Magistrate, as of meat, and other outward things. For it is a lyke reason to say:2 The kingdome of the christians is not of this world, ergo they haue no nede of a magistrate, and to say: The kingdom of ye Christians, is not of this world: ergo, they nede no meate. For meat is eaten in this world.