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A discussion of the popish doctrine of transubstantiation wherein the same is declared, by…A discussion of the popish doctrine of transubstantiation vvherein the same is declared, by…
A discussion of the popish doctrine of transubstantiation wherein the same is declared, by the confession of their own writers, to have no necessary ground in Gods Word: as also it is further demonstrated to be against Scripture, nature, sense, reason, religion, and the judgement of t5xxauncients, and the faith of our ancestors: written by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and pastor of Rotherhith.A discussion of the popish doctrine of transubstantiation vvherein the same is declared, by the confession of their owne writers, to haue no necessary ground in Gods Word: as also it is further demonstrated to be against Scripture, nature, sense, reason, religion, and the iudgement of t5xxauncients, and the faith of our auncestours: written by Thomas Gataker B. of D. and pastor of Rotherhith.
London: printed by John for William Sheffard, 1624London: printed by Iohn for William Sheffard, 1624
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And if he had cited the place of Theodoret fully out, he had utterly overthrown his heretical and fraudulent purposes of citing him. His words are these: Neither do the sacramental signs after consecration depart from their nature; for they remain (note how he speaketh of the signs not of the substances of bread and wine remaining) in their former substance figure and form to be seen and touched as before: but they are by our understanding conceived to be as they are made; and they are believed and adored according to our faith of them. So judicious and learned is mine Adversary here and in other places, in the choice of his Arguments and Authorities alleged against us. But howsoever he faileth in that, he will be sure to help out the matter by maiming and corruptly citing such testimonies. I have just cause to suspect his like dealing in citing Gratians Gloss on S. Augustine's words in the precedent page, and Caietans words cited by him page 2. But I have not these Authors now by me to examine the places in themselves. And they are of so small esteem with us, especially Caietan in his dangerous and inconvenient manner of expounding Scripture with more subtlety many times then truth, as I cannot but wonder to see the Minister so to magnify him, as if he were the Oracle of our Church, and his ipse dixit and bare assertion so certain a proof as it could not be denied by us.
And if hee had cited the place of Theodoret fully out, he had vtterly ouerthrowne his hereticall and fraudulent purposes of citing him. His wordes are these: Neither do the sacramentall signes after consecration depart from their nature; for they remaine (note how hee speaketh of the signes not of the substances of bread and wine remaining) in their former substance figure and forme to be seene and touched as before: but they are by our vnderstanding conceiued to be as they are made; and they are beleeued and adored according to our faith of them. So iudicious and learned is mine Aduersarie here and in other places, in the choise of his Arguments and Authorities alleadged against vs. But howsoeuer he faileth in that, he will be sure to helpe out the matter by maiming and corruptly citing such testimonies. I haue iust cause to suspect his like dealing in citing Gratians Glosse on S. Augustines wordes in the precedent page, and Caietans words cited by him page 2. But I haue not these Authors now by me to examine the places in themselues. And they are of so small esteeme with vs, especially Caietan in his dangerous and inconuenient manner of expounding Scripture with more subtilty many times then truth, as I cannot but wonder to see the Minister so to magnifie him, as if hee were the Oracle of our Church, and his ipse dixit and bare assertion so certaine a proofe as it could not be denied by vs.