A01760:257
A dispute against the English-popish ceremonies, obtruded upon the Church of Scotland Wherein not…A dispute against the English-popish ceremonies, obtruded vpon the Church of Scotland Wherein not…
A dispute against the English-popish ceremonies, obtruded upon the Church of Scotland Wherein not only our own arguments [sic] against the same are strongly confirmed, but likewise the answers and defences of our opposites, such as Hooker, Morton ... Forbesse, &c. particularly confuted.A dispute against the English-popish ceremonies, obtruded vpon the Church of Scotland Wherein not only our ovvne argumemts [sic] against the same are strongly confirmed, but likewise the ansvveres and defences of our opposites, such as Hooker, Mortoune ... Forbesse, &c. particularly confuted.
Leiden: printed by W. Christiaens, 1637
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In the third place we will look what weapons of war Dr. zForbesse Sect. XI produceth in his Irenicum, falsely so called. And first, he will not hear us touching Scandal, except we first a knowledge the Ceremonies not to be evil in themselves: otherwise he thinks we debate in vain about Scandal, since we have a more convenient way to exterminate the Ceremonies by proving them to be evil in themselves, and also because when we are pressed with the weight of Arguments, we will still run back to this point, that nothing which in it self is unlawful, can be done without Scandal.
In the third place we will looke what weapons of warre Dr. zForbesse Sect. XI produceth in his Irenicum, falsly so called. And first, he will not heare us touching Scandall, except we first a knowledge the Ceremonies not to be evill in themselves: otherwise he thinks we debate in vaine about Scandall, since we have a more convenient way to exterminat the Ceremonies by proving them to be evill in themselves, and also because when we are pressed with the weight of Arguments, we will still runne back to this point, that nothing which in it selfe is unlawfull, can be done without Scandall.
- zlib 2. c. 20. num. 5. & 6.
Ans. 1. The Argument of Scandal is not vainly or idly debated, for though we prove the Ceremonies to be evil in themselves, yet fitly we argument also from the Scandal of them, because this maketh yet more. 1. ad rem; For the Scandal of a thing is more then the unlawfulness of it: every unlawful thing is not scandalous, but that only which is done to the knowledge of another. 2. ad hominem; For that we may either content or convince our Opposites, we argument ex ipsorum concessis, to this purpose; that since they yield the Ceremonies to be in themselves indifferent, therefore they must a knowledge that they are to be forborne, because scandal followeth upon them, & they should abstain from things indifferent, in the case of scandal.