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A dispute against the English-popish ceremonies, obtruded upon the Church of Scotland Wherein not…A dispute against the English-popish ceremonies, obtruded vpon the Church of Scotland Wherein not…
A dispute against the English-popish ceremonies, obtruded upon the Church of Scotland Wherein not only our own arguments [sic] against the same are strongly confirmed, but likewise the answers and defences of our opposites, such as Hooker, Morton ... Forbesse, &c. particularly confuted.A dispute against the English-popish ceremonies, obtruded vpon the Church of Scotland Wherein not only our ovvne argumemts [sic] against the same are strongly confirmed, but likewise the ansvveres and defences of our opposites, such as Hooker, Mortoune ... Forbesse, &c. particularly confuted.
Leiden: printed by W. Christiaens, 1637
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Ans. 1. The Argument of Scandal is not vainly or idly debated, for though we prove the Ceremonies to be evil in themselves, yet fitly we argument also from the Scandal of them, because this maketh yet more. 1. ad rem; For the Scandal of a thing is more then the unlawfulness of it: every unlawful thing is not scandalous, but that only which is done to the knowledge of another. 2. ad hominem; For that we may either content or convince our Opposites, we argument ex ipsorum concessis, to this purpose; that since they yield the Ceremonies to be in themselves indifferent, therefore they must a knowledge that they are to be forborne, because scandal followeth upon them, & they should abstain from things indifferent, in the case of scandal.
Ans. 1. The Argument of Scandall is not vainly or idly debated, for though we prove the Ceremonies to be evill in themselves, yet fitly we argument also from the Scandall of them, because this maketh yet more. 1. ad rem; For the Scandall of a thing is more then the unlawfullnesse of it: every unlawfull thing is not scandalous, but that only which is done to the knowledge of another. 2. ad hominem; For that we may either content or convince our Opposites, we argument ex ipsorum concessis, to this purpose; that since they yeeld the Ceremonies to be in themselves indifferent, therefore they must a knowledge that they are to be foreborne, because scandall followeth upon them, & they should abstaine from thinges indifferent, in the case of scandall.
2. Whereas he thinks we will still turn back to the unlawfulness ⟨p. 43⟩of the Ceremonies in themselves, albeit we may justly make use of this answer, when they go about to purge the Ceremonies from Scandal by the lawfulness of them in themselves, (because the Argument of Scandal doeth not presuppose our concession of the lawfulness of the Ceremonies, but theirs;) yet he deceives himself in thinking that we can not handle this Argument without it, for were they never so lawful in themselves, we a