If a man should press you with your own words,1 and demand, what manner of Presence ye teach, affirming Christ him self presently to be given: I ween, ye would be found halting. For how say ye? If Christ be presently given unto us by Bread and Wine in the Sacrament, then is Christ present. If he be present, which ye must needs grant, tell us further, how is he present: according to the Substance of his Body, or by Grace, or according to the Majesty of his Godhead? The first, what shifts so ever ye seek, ye will not grant. And therefore is your own Apostle Martin Luther at foul defiance with your masters, Zuinglius, Occolampadius, Calvin, and you, and so be his Disciples, Joachimus Westphalus, Epinus, Pomeran, He shusius, Brentius, Illyricus, and many others, as ye know. If ye will say, he is Present by his Grace, so is he Present with all good men: ⟨p. 233⟩and that not only when the Sacrament is ministered, but also at all other times.2 Again, how can ye make good, that by Faith we receive his Body, and Blood? By Faith we receive Grace, and the Merits of his Death suffered in his Body with shedding of his Blood. But the Body and Blood it self, that is, the very* Substance of his Body and Blood: tell us, how by Faith (* properly and truly to speak) as who should sate by Faith made Present,5 we receive it? Furthermore‡ what have ye to answer to this question? If we receive the Body and Blood of Christ verily by Faith (for so ye say) we demand whether we receive the same by Faith only without the Body, or with the office of our Body. If the office of our Body be required to the receiving of Christs Body in the Sacrament, as Christ him self* certainly meant (for else how obeyed the Disciples his commandment, to whom he said at his Supper, Take and eat, this is my Body, likewise of the Cup, Take and drink, which cannot be done but by the service of the Body) hereof then it followeth, that his Body is verily present. Now that it is not received by Faith only, thus we prove it by your own Doctrine:‡ It is so received▪ as it is Present: but it is Present by Bread and Wine (as ye say,) Ergo it is received by Bread and Wine. To conclude, if by Bread and Wine, then not by Faith only. VVil ye give me leave to say, what I think of you? Verily it seemeth by your vain jangling, that as S.
If a man should presse you with your owne woordes,1 and demaunde, what maner of Presence ye teache, affirminge Christe him selfe presently to be geuen: I weene, ye would be founde haltinge. For how saie ye? If Christe be presently geuen vnto vs by Breade and VVine in the Sacramente, then is Christe present. If he be present, whiche ye muste needes graunt, tell vs further, howe is he present: accordinge to the Substance of his Body, or by Grace, or accordinge to the Maiestie of his Godhed? The first, what shiftes so euer ye seeke, ye wil not graunt. And therefore is your owne Apostle Martin Luther at fowle defiance with your maisters, Zuinglius, Occolampadius, Caluine, and you, and so be his Disciples, Ioachimus VVestphalus, Epinus, Pomeran, He shusius, Brentius, Illyricus, and many others, as ye knowe. If ye wil saie, he is Present by his Grace, so is he Presente with al good men: ⟨p. 233⟩and that not onely when the Sacrament is ministred, but also at al other times.2 Againe, how can ye make good, that by Faithe we receiue his Body, and Bloud? By Faith we receiue Grace, and the Merites of his Death suffered in his Body with sheddinge of his Bloud. But the Body and Bloude it selfe, that is, the very* Substance of his Body and Bloude: tel vs, how by Faithe (* properly and truely to speake) as who should sate by Faithe made Present,5 we receiue it? Furthermore‡ what haue ye to answeare to this question? If wee receiue the Body and Bloud of Christe verely by Faithe (for so ye saie) we demaūde whether we receiue the same by Faithe onely without the Body, or with the office of our Body. If thoffice of our Body be required to the receiuinge of Christes Body in the Sacrament, as Christe him selfe* certainely meante (for els how obeyed the Disciples his commaundement, to whome he saide at his Supper, Take and eate, this is my Body, likewise of the Cuppe, Take and drinke, whiche cannot be donne but by the seruice of the Body) hereof then it foloweth, that his Body is verely present. Now that it is not receiued by Faithe onely, thus we proue it by your owne Doctrine:
- 1What Presence of Christ in the Sacrament do the Defenders acknowledge.VVhat Presence of Christe in the Sacrament doo the Defenders acknovvledge.
- 2Absent in Body.Absente in Body.
- *Untruths, two together. For properly, and in Substance, we receive it not. Read the Answer.Vntruthes, tvvo togeather. For properly, and in Substāce, vvee receiue it not. Reade the Ansvveare.
- *Untruths, two together. For properly, and in Substance, we receive it not. Read the Answer.Vntruthes, tvvo togeather. For properly, and in Substāce, vvee receiue it not. Reade the Ansvveare.
- 5The Body of Christ not received by Faith only.The Body of Christe not receiued by Faithe onely.
- ‡We answer, It is a peevish question.VVe ansvveare, It is a peeuishe question.
- *Untruth. For Christ meant no such thing, as appeareth by the Fathers.Vntruthe. For Christe meante no suche thing, as appeareth by the Fathers.
- ‡A Sophistical, and a childish cavil. Read the Answer.A Sophistical, and a childishe cauil. Reade the Ansvveare.
