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A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
Article 5 › The B. of Salisbury.Article 5 › The B. of Sarisburie.
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But Chrysostom saith, Christ mingleth his Body with our Bodies,1 and driveth us, as it were, into one lump of dough with him self. This place would have stand M. Harding in better stead, if Chrysostom had said, Christ mingleth his Body with the Sacrament, and driveth him self and it into one lump. For this is it, that should be proved. Neither will M. Harding say, That, either Christ mingleth him self with us, or, we are made one lump of dough with him Simply, and according to the letter, and without Figure. Whereof, he seeth, it must needs follow, that much less is Christs Body in the Sacrament, according to that, he would have the letter to sound, Plainly, Simply, or, as he saith, Really, and Fleshly, and without Figure. It is a vehement, and a hot kind of speech, such as Chrysostom was most delighted with, far passing the common sense, and course of trueth: and therefore he him self thought it necessary, to correct, & to qualify the rigour of the same, by these words, Ut ita dicam: which is, As it were, or, If I may be bold so to say. 2In such phrase of talk Anacletus saith, In oleo virtus Spiritus Sancti inuisibilis permista est: The inuisible power of the Holy Ghost is Mingled with the Oil. 3And Alexander saith, In Sacramentorum Oblationibus Passio Domini miscenda est. The Passion of Christ must be Mingled with the Oblations of the Sacraments. So saith Gregorius Nyssenus of S. Steven, Gratia Sancti Spiritus permixtus, & contemperatus, per illum sublatus,4 & evectus est ad contemplationem Dei. S. Steven being Mingled, and Tempered with the Grace of the Holy Ghost, was by him advanced, and taken up to the sight of God. These, and other such like sayings of holy Fathers, may not be hardly priest according to the sound of the letter: but rather must be gently expounded, and qualified, according to the sense, and meaning of the writer.
But Chrysostome saithe, Christe mingleth his Bodie with our Bodies,1 and driueth vs, as it were, into one lumpe of dough with him selfe. This place woulde haue stande M. Hardinge in better steede, if Chrysostome had saide, Christe mingleth his Bodie with the Sacrament, and driueth him selfe and it into one lumpe. For this is it, that shoulde be prooued. Neither wil M. Hardinge say, That, either Christe mingleth him selfe with vs, or, we are made one lumpe of dowgh with him Simply, and accordinge to the letter, and without Figure. Whereof, he séeth, it muste néedes folowe, that muche lesse is Christes Bodie in the Sacrament, accordinge to that, he woulde haue the letter to sounde, Plainely, Simply, or, as he saithe, Really, and Fleashly, and without Figure. It is a vehement, and a hoate kinde of speache, suche as Chrysostome was most delited with, farre passinge the common sense, and course of trueth: and therefore he him selfe thought it necessarie, to correcte, & to qualfie the rigour of the same, by these woordes, Vt ita dicam: whiche is, As it were, or, If I may be bolde so to saye.