A reply unto M. Hardinges answerA replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare
A reply unto M. Hardinges answer by perusing whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weak, and unstable grounds of the Romaine religion, which of late hath been accounted Catholic. By John Jewel Bishop of Salisbury.A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
John Jewel 1522–1571Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the sign of the Black Oliphant, by Henry Wykes, Anno. 1565Imprinted at London : In Fleetestreate, at the signe of the Blacke Oliphante, by Henry VVykes, Anno. 1565
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(who through God's grace have received the love of truth, and not the efficacy of illusion, to believe lying) believe verily, that in this Sacrament after consecration, i• the very Body of Christ, and that upon credit of his own words, Hoc est Corpus meum. They that appoint them selves to follow your Genevian doctrine in this point, deceived by that ye teach them (Hoc) to point the Bread, and by sundry other untruths, in stead of the very Body of Christ in the Sacrament rightly ministered verily present,
shall receive nothing at your Communion, but a bare piece of Bread not worth appoint. As for your, some say, who will have, Hoc, to point Individuum Vagum, First learn you well, what they mean, and if their meaning be naught, who so e•er they be, handle them as you list: therewith shall we be offended never a deal. How this word, Hoc, in that saying of Christ is to be taken, and what it pointeth,
we k••we, who have more learnedly, more certainly, and more truly treated thereof, then Luther, Zuinglius, Calvin, Cranmer, Peter Martyr, or any their offspring.
VVhat so euer, Hoc, pointeth in this saieinge of Christe after your iudgement, M. Iuel, right meaninge and plaine Christian people,1 (who through Goddes grace haue receiued the loue of truth, and not the efficacie of illusion, to beleeue lieinge) beleeue verily, that in this Sacrament after consecration, i• the very Bodie of Christe, and that vpon credite of his owne woordes, Hoc est Corpus meum. They that appointe them selues to folowe your Geneuian doctrine in this pointe, deceiued by that ye teache them (Hoc) to pointe the Breade, and by sundrie other vntruthes, in steede of the very Bodie of Christe in the Sacrament rightly ministred verily present,2 shal receiue nothing at your Communion, but a bare peece of Breade not woorth a•pointe. As for your, some saye, who wil haue, Hoc, to point Indiuiduum Vagum, Firste learne you wel, what they meane, and if their meaninge be naught, who so e•er they be, handle them as you liste: therewith shal wee be offended neuer a deale. How this woorde, Hoc, in that saieing of Christe is to be taken, and what it pointeth,* wee k••we, who haue more learnedly, more certainely, and more truely treated thereof, then Luther, Zuinglius, Caluin, Cranmer, Peter Martyr, or any their ofspringe.
In this Article M. Harding only uttereth some part of his choler against them, whom it pleaseth him to call Ge•evians: and vaunteth much his own learning, as learned men, seldom use to do, with reproach, and disdain of others: and in the end, touching the matter, saith utterly nothing. Yet is there not lightly any doubt, that amaseth, & troubleth the best learned of his side, so much, as this.
In this Article M. Hardinge onely vttereth some parte of his choler againste them, whom it pleaseth him to cal Ge•euians: and vaunteth muche his owne learning, as learned men, seldome vse to doo, with reproche, and disdaine of others: and in the ende, touchinge the mater, saithe vtterly nothinge. Yet is there not lightly any doubte, that amaseth, & troubleth the best learned of his side, so muche, as this.
For, their fantasy of Transubstantiation presupposed to stand in force, if they say, That Christ by this Pronoun, Hoc, meante the Bread, that he held in his hand, Then must it needs follow, that the very Substance of that Bread, was the very Body of Christ. For by this position, that must needs be the purport, and meaning of these words.
For, their fantasie of Transubstantiation presupposed to stande in force, if they say, That Christe by this Pronowne, Hoc, meante the Breade, that he helde in his hande, Then must it needes folow, that the very Substance of that Breade, was the very Bodie of Christe. For by this position, that must néedes be the purporte, and meaninge of these woordes.
If they say, Christ by the same Pronoun meant the Accidents, and Shows of the Bread, Then must it follow, that the •aine Accidents, and Shows of Bread were the Body of Christ. But so should an Accident be a Substance: Which error were much worse, and far more unsensible, then the former.
If they saye, Christe by the same Pronowne meante the Accidentes, and Shewes of the Breade, Then muste it folow, that the •aine Accidentes, and Shewes of Breade were the Bodie of Christe. But so shoulde an Accidente be a Substance: Whiche errour were muche woorse, and farre more vnsensible, then the former.
If they say, This Pronoun, Hoc, signified the Body of Christ it self, Then the meaning of these Words, This is my Body, must needs •e this: My Body is my Body. 1But this (saith Holcote) were vainly spoken, and to no purpose. And by this exposition, Christs Body should be there, before the words of Consecration were pronounced: and so there should be no Virtue, or force in Consecration: or rather there should be Consecration, before Consecration: and so, Consecration, without Consecration.
If they saye, This Pronowne, Hoc, signified the Bodie of Christe it selfe, Then the meaninge of these Woordes, This is my Bodie, must needes •e this: My Bodie is my Bodie. 1But this (saithe Holcote) were vainely spoken, and to no purpose. And by this exposition, Christes Bodie shoulde be there, before the woordes of Consecration were pronounced: and so there shoulde be no Uertue, or force in Consecration: or rather there shoulde be Consecration, before Consecration: and so, Consecration, without Consecration.
Upon these few words they have built up their whole Religion. This is ⟨p. 630⟩the foundation of all together.1 Therefore M. Harding should not so lightly, and so disdainfully have passed it over without answer. Otherwise, this change being so great, as it is supposed, we shall not know, neither what thing is changed, nor whereof Christs Body is made present.
Upon these fewe woordes they haue builte vp their whole Religion. This is ⟨p. 630⟩the fundation of al togeather.1 Therfore M. Hardinge shoulde not so lightly, and so disdainefully haue passed it ouer without answeare. Otherwise, this change beinge so greate, as it is supposed, wee shal not know, neither what thinge is changed, nor whereof Christes Bodie is made presente.
1The Dissension of DoctorsThe Dissension of Doctours
Neither is there any just cause, wherefore M. Harding should be thus angry with the Genevians in this behalf. For he knoweth right well, that this new fantasy, of Individuum Vagum, is no part of their Doctrine.
Neither is there any iuste cause, wherefore M. Hardinge should be thus angrie with the Geneuians in this behalfe. For he knoweth right wel, that this newe fantasie, of Indiuiduum Vagum, is no parte of their Doctrine.
But briefly to touch, how pitifully the learned of M. Hardinges side have entangled them selves in this case,1 first of all Gerson saith thus, Dicendum est, quòd Hoc, demonstrat substantiam Panis: We must say, that this pronoun, Hoc, signifieth the Substance of the Bread. By this Doctor, the Substance of Bread is Christs Body.
But briefely to touche, how pitifully the learned of M. Hardinges side haue entangled them selues in this case,1 first of al Gerson saith thus, Dicendum est, quòd Hoc, demonstrat substantiam Panis: Wee must say, that this pronowne, Hoc, signifieth the Substance of the Breade. By this Doctour, the Substance of Breade is Christes Bodie.
1Gerson country Floret li 4.Gerson contr• Floret li 4.
1522–1571
ReformersEngland
Bishop of Salisbury; author of the Apology of the Church of England.
