In deed, for my self, whom in this you glance at, I must confess I thought that it did become pme to say, Da veniam Cyprian, upon the circumstances that I said it: which, if it were a fault, though D. qFulke thought otherwise, but if it were, it was of error; and I will recant it, if you confute the 9reasons that moved me to think it did become me so to say. But you, who wot well (by your own confession) ⟨p. 95⟩it little becometh you to say, Da veniam Cyprian, do thereby acknowledge, that although you are persuaded, as you pretend, the proper natural sense of the word of God to be on your side, not on Cyprian's; in trueth you are not so. For else you would think that it should become you very well to say, Pardon me, O Cyprian: sith you know, I hope, that it became the Apostles very well to say, rWe ought rather to obey God then men. And if it do little become you to say, Pardon me, O Cyprian, when yet you dissent from him and contradict him: then you glozed in saying that with all humbleness you reverence his authority; seeing, to crave 1leave and pardon, in dissenting, is a sign of reverence. And if to use so mild words, Pardon me, O Cyprian, it become you little: how much less, to say, as in effect you do, 2It is a cursed gloss, O Cyprian, which thou makest? And if unto Cyprian alone it little becometh you to say so much: how greatly unbeseeming is it for you to say it unto such a number, both of old, & new interpreters, besides him? Finally, for an upshot, where you say that he, as a godly man, was carried with a vehement & a perfect hatred against the detestable abuses of the heathen spectacles in his time: you grant that the spectacles of plays set forth by you have detestable abuses in them; sith the 3tragedies, the playing whereof he detesteth, are such as your Ulysses; the 4Comedies, as your Rivals: and so, how little care you have of being godly, who are not only not carried with an hatred, I say not, with a vehement & perfect hatred, against them, but also dote upon them, & write defences of them, I judge you not, your own mouth judgeth you. As for those godly and learned Divines, who being talked withal by you touching the true sense of the place of Deuteronomy, did make that answer which you mention: what if they, misliking your resolute intent, did follow the example of Michaeas the Prophet?
In deede, for my selfe, whom in this you glance at, I must confesse I thought that it did become pme to saye, Da veniam Cypriane, vpon the circumstances that I said it: which, if it were a fault, though D. qFulke thought otherwise, but if it were, it was of errour; and I will recant it, if you confute the 9reasons that mooved me to thinke it did become mee so to say. But you, who wote well (by your owne confession) ⟨p. 95⟩it litle becommeth you to say, Da veniam Cypriane, doe thereby acknowledge, that although you are perswaded, as you pretend, the proper naturall sense of the worde of God to bee on your side, not on Cyprians; in trueth you are not so. For else you would thinke that it should become you very well to say, Pardon mee, O Cyprian: sith you know, I hope, that it became the Apostles very well to say, rWee ought rather to obey God then men. And if it doe litle become you to saye, Pardon mee, O Cyprian, when yet you dissent from him and contradict him: then you glozed in saying that with all humblenesse you reverence his autoritie; seeing, to craue 1leaue and pardon, in dissenting, is a signe of reverence. And if to vse so milde words, Pardon mee, O Cyprian, it become you litle: how much lesse, to say, as in effect you doe, 2It is a cursed glosse, O Cyprian, which thou makest? And if vnto Cyprian alone it litle becommeth you to say so much: how greatly vnbeseeming is it for you to say it vnto such a number, both of olde, & new interpreters, besides him? Finally, for an vpshoote, where you say that he, as a godly man, was caried with a vehement & a perfit hatred against the detestable abuses of the heathen spectacles in his time: you graunt that the spectacles of playes sett foorth by you haue detestable abuses in them; sith the 3tragedies, the playing whereof he detesteth, are such as your Ulysses; the 4Comedies, as your Rivales: and so, how litle care you haue of being godly, who are not only not caried with an hatred, I say not, with a vehemēt & perfit hatred, against them, but also dote vpon them, & write defenses of thē, I iudge you not, your own mouth iudgeth you. As for those godly and learned Divines, who being talked withall by you touching the true sense of the place of Deuteronomie, did make that answer which you mention: what if they, misliking your resolute intent, did folow the example of Michaeas the Prophet?
- pPraefat. thes. de sacr. scrip. and eccles.
- qHis answer to the preface of Gre. Mar. discovery, sect. 15.His answere to the preface of Gre. Mar. discovery, sect. 15.
- 9Set down in the end of my conference with Hart: in the Defence of such things as Tho. Stapleton, & Gregory Martin have carped at in my Theses.Set down in the end of my conference wt Hart: in the Defence of such things as Tho. Stapleton, & Gregorie Martin haue carped at in my Theses.
- rAct. 5. 29.
- 1Quod divinarum Scripturarum autoritati congruit in literis Cypriani, cū laude eius accipio: quod autem non congruit, cum pace eius respuo. August. cont. Cresco. gramma. lib. 2 cap. 32.Quod divinarum Scripturarum autoritati congruit in literis Cypriani, cū laude eius accipio: quod autem non cōgruit, cum pace eius respuo. August. cont. Cresco. gramma. lib. 2 cap. 32.
- 2Maledicta textum glossa quae vitiat bonū. Ulyss. red. resp. ad Mom.Maledicta textum glossa quae vitiat bonū. Vlyss. red. resp. ad Mom.
- 3Cothurnus est tragicus prisca facinora carmine recensere: de parricidis & incestis horror antiquus, expressa ad imaginē veritatis actione, replicatur Cypr. epist. 2 ad Donat.Cothurnus est tragicus prisca facinora carmine recensere: de parricidis & incestis horror antiquus, expressa ad imaginē veritatis actione, replicatur Cypr. epist. 2 ad Donat.
- 4Ut ad scenae sales inverecundos transitum faciam, pudet referre quae dicuntur pudet etiam accusare quae fiunt: agentium strophas, adulterorum fallacias, mulierum impudicitias, scurriles jocos, parasitos sordidos; ipsos quoque patres familiâs togatos, modo stupidos, modò obscoenos, in omnibus stolidos, certis nominibus inverecundos. Cyprian. de spectac. cap. 5.Vt ad scenae sales inverecundos transitum faciam, pudet referre quae dicuntur pudet etiam accusare quae fiunt: agentium strophas, adulterorum fallacias, mulierum impudicitias, scurriles iocos, parasitos sordidos; ipsos quoque patres familiâs togatos, modo stupidos, modò obscoenos, in omnibus stolidos, certis nominibus inverecundos. Cyprian. de spectac. cap. 5.
