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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Marry, if any of all the Bishops that ever were in that seat, flowing thus in wealth, abused the same to any evil ⟨p. 397⟩purpose, or else their authority when they were become so mighty, in any of the points which are mentioned by you: I am so far off from justifying them therein, that rather I r•w to see it and I condemn them therefore. But thereof we shall have occasion to treat more particularly in the chapters following. Only this is it which I go about to prove and defend in them, that because of Christs promise, of building his Church upon that rock; and prayer also that their faith should not fail, they never erred in judgement or definitive sentence. And thus much I am sure the very same authors, whose names here you bring in against me, do maintain no less then I do, howsoever they carp and find fault with the Popes naughty manners. Wherefore to draw to an end, whether all that hath been said hitherto, or shall be said hereafter touching the practise of the Popes supremacy do prove his supreme authority or not: I refer the judgement thereof M. Rainoldes, to your self, and to every indifferent reader. Certes I have endeavoured somewhat to do it, though nothing so well, I grant, as such a cause requireth. But as I said you shall see it proved yet furthermore by the practise thereof which the Bishop of Rome hath always used, bearing himself as supreme pastor of our souls next under Christ: which thing was never denied him but granted of all men without resistance. Let their speeches, and deeds be a justifying of him: and let their behaviour generally towards him be an instruction for us to follow them in their well doing. John Hart.
Marry, if any of all the Bishops that euer were in that seat, flowing thus in wealth, abused the same to any euill ⟨p. 397⟩purpose, or els their authoritie when they were become so mightie, in any of the pointes which are mentioned by you: I am so farre off from iustifying them therein, that rather I r•w to sée it and I condemne them therefore. But thereof wee shall haue occ•sion to treate more particularly in the chapters folowing. Onely this is it which I go about to proue and defend in them, that because of Christes promise, of building his Church vpon that rocke; and prayer also that their faith should not faile, they neuer erred in iudgement or definitiue sentence. And thus much I am sure the very same autours, whose names here you bring in against me, do mainteine no lesse then I doo, howsoeuer they carpe and finde fault with the Popes naughtie maners. Wherefore to drawe to an ende, whether all that hath béene said hithertoo, or shall be said hereafter touching the practise of the Popes supremacie doo proue his supreme authoritie or not: I referre the iudgement thereof M. Rainoldes, to your selfe, and to euery indifferent reader. Certes I haue endeuored somewhat to doo it, though nothing so wel, I graunt, as such a cause requireth. But as I said you shall sée it proued yet furthermore by the practise thereof which the Bishop of Rome hath alwaies vsed, bearing himselfe as supreme pastour of our soules next vnder Christ: which thing was neuer denyed him but graunted of all men without resistance. Let their spéeches, and déedes bee a iustifying of him: and let their behauiour generally towardes him bée an instruction for vs to folow them in their well dooing. Iohn Hart.