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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Nay, you mistake my meaning, if you take my [perhaps] so. For, that word is used oftentimes of modesty, when men do not doubt of that which they say. Neither do I of this: as you may perceive by my proofs of it.
Hart. Nay, you mistake my meaning, if you take my [perhaps] so. For, that worde is vsed oftentimes of modestie, when men doo not dout of that which they say. Neither doo I of this: as you may perceiue by my proofes of it.
Rainoldes. But ahe, whose steps you tread in, used 2it of subtlety rather then of modesty: that if his proofs failed, yet they might find favour because they came in with perhaps. Which help you shall perceive that the proofs also of your [perhaps] here do stand in need off, if you weigh them with indifferency. The donation of Constantine beareth the bell amongst them. For he (you say) resigned to S. Sylvester Pope ⟨p. 401⟩and to his successors the city of Rome, with all his Imperial robes and ornaments, retiring himself to Constantinople, where he abode as in his imperial seat, as also many other Emperors after him for many years together did, keeping still either at Constantinople in the East, or else at Milan & Ravenna in the West. And how do you prove that Constantine did so? Forsooth Eugubinus writeth it, you say; & proof is made of it by very many witnesses, as namely by Ammianus Marcellinus a heathen, who was sorry to see it; by Photius Constantinopolitanus, no favourer of the the Pope neither, and a Grecian borne; by Nicephorus; yea by S. Damasus, who lived about the same time, and saw Constantine him self; yea by our own men, who grant in their Centuries that the said donation of Constantine was confirmed a hundred years after by the Emperor Justinian, by Arithpert king of the Lombards, by king Pippin of France, Charles the great, holy king Lewes, and lastly by Otho the great at a Council holden at Ravenna. So: your witnesses then for Constantine's donation are Eugubinus, Ammianus, Photius, Nicephorus, Damasus, and our Centuries. Are these all? No. For you add that there are many mo besides, as I may read in the Chronicles. In the Chronicles? In what Chronicles? You mean in the Chronicles written by Genebrard; whom in this whole point of the Popes temporal dominion you follow. Alas, M. Hart, give not your self over so to be abused by that shameless man: who maketh no conscience of dealing most lewdly with all sorts of authors, to flatter those ambitious usurpers of Rome, and uphold their villainy.