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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. You are the writer, M. Hart. I showed by the history of Sigonius, and others, most worthy of credit, that the Popes usurped Rome, and the dominion of the Roman Dukedom, defrauding the Emperor of his right by treason. You affirm the contrary. And for proof thereof you allege sundry epistles of S. Gregory, whereby it appeareth that they had possessions in Africa, in Naples, in Campania, in Dalmatia, in France, in Italy, in Sicily, and in Sardinia, before the time wherein Sigonius declareth them to have usurped. But, as your self answered, they might have these possessions while they were Bishops, and not Princes. Wherefore in bringing this to prove that they usurped not the Princedom (so to term it) and temporal dominion of the Papal State: you disprove not the history of Sigonius, and the rest, but bewray your own frowardness or folly. Nay you bewray greater faults of evil & guileful dealing, as you handle it. For whereas Sigonius, & the rest, whom I cited to prove the Popes usurping, are of y• Popes religion, & therefore of greater credit against the Popes: you say nought to them, but name in their steed our authors of the Centuries. Even as if the writer (whom I told you of) being urged with the credit of sir Thomas More and English historians, should answer that although Funccius, a German, report in his Chronicle that Richard did usurp, yet is he notably disproved by the evidences of the house of York. Again, where your conclusion ought to be resolute that the Churches possessions were more in S. Gregory's time, then they be now: you say they were more, as it may probably be thought. To overbear verity with probability; the truth, with likelihood of truth: and leave your self a lurking hole, that, although the thing be found to be false, yet you may escape who vouch it not as true, but probable. Moreover, the time of Gregory's being Bishop, you term it his reign: thereby to breed opinion that he had the temporal dominion, as they have now. Wherein that word is used so much the more deceitfully: because it prepareth a way to the mistaking of that ⟨p. 420⟩which you allege out of Gregory's epistles touching S. Peters patrimony. For. S. Peters patrimony doth signify the temporal dominion of the Popes, in that of lClemangis, which you began your answer with. And so by this [reign] a man would take it here.