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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Nay, nGenebrard hath other reasons to defend the right of the Pope, if these do not content men. For I (saith he) answer to heretics impugning the donation of Constantine that which Jephthah did (in the eleventh of Judges) to the king of Ammonites requiring the land of Galaad to be restored him: we will possess that which the Lord our God hath conquered and obtained. Unless perhaps thou canst show that any man did strive about it for the space of three hundred years: ( 1here for a thousand years and more.) Why so long time have you attempted nothing for the recovery of it? Chiefly, sith the prescription of certain years sufficeth in grounds and possessions. Moreover, the consent of Italy, and of the Church, and of the whole world is of force enough to give the Pope that right. Finally, that Constantine removed the seat of the earthly Empire to Constantinople through Gods special providence, to the end that the kingdom of the Church forespoken of by Daniel the Prophet might have his seat at Rome, it appeareth by this, that straight the western Emperors, Constans and the rest, who followed for certain ages, 2left Rome still, and placed the seat of the western Empire at Milan or Ravenna; and also that Constantius the nephew of Heraclius, Michael, and certain others would have brought it in again to Rome, but could not. Wherefore howsoever the Popes dominion temporal began, or whensoever: it is sure that he hath right unto it now.
Hart. Nay, nGenebrard hath other reasons to defend the right of the Pope, if these doo not content men. For I (saith he) answere to heretikes impugning the donation of Constantine that which Iephte did (in the eleuenth of Iudges) to the king of Ammonites requiring the land of Galaad to bee restored him: we will possesse that which the Lord our God hath conquered and obteined. Vnlesse perhaps thou canst shew that any man did striue about it for the space of three hundred yeares: ( 1here for a thousand yeares and more.) Why so long time haue you attempted nothing for the recouerie of it? Chiefly, sith the prescription of certaine yeares sufficeth in groundes and possessions. Moreouer, the consent of Italie, and of the Church, and of the whole world is of force enough to giue the Pope that right. Finally, that Constantine remoued the seat of the earthly Empire to Constantinople through Gods speciall prouidence, to the end that the kingdome of the Church forespoken of by Daniel the Prophet might haue his seate at Rome, it appeareth by this, that straight the westerne Emperours, Constans and the rest, who folowed for certaine ages,