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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. The point that we reason of, is not (M. Hart) what right he hath now, but what wrong heretofore he hath done the Emperor to obtain this right. Though neither can you prove his right by these reasons. For, that which oJephthah ⟨p. 422⟩spake of gotten by the Israelites: they got by lawful war. The Pope hath gotten his by unlawful treachery. And prescription holdeth not in things that are stolen, and detained by force: if you believe pthe law. As for the thousand years and more, which Genebrard addeth that no man strove about it: if he mean, about Constantine's donation, no marvel if they strove not about that which was not. If he mean about that which Popes claim thereby: it hath two untruths; one, that they have held it a thousand years, and more; an other, that no man strove with them about it. For, to pass over the Emperors 9before touched, and namely Frederick the first: rthe Romans them selves had many bickerings with them for the temporal rule and government of the city, contending that the Pope should meddle with the spiritual only. Whereby withal appeareth how vain the brag is of the consent of Italy, the church, and the whole world. Though neither their consent can give the Pope that right: unless the Roman Emperors (the right owners of it) do consent also. And, how they consent, you may learn by late Emperors; of whom, sone desired to recover Rome and all the Popes dominion, as being his of right; tan other did more then desire i•: or rather by late Popes, uwho are afraid of nothing more, then of the Emperors coming into Italy. Now, the last reason of Gods special providence removing the seat of the western Empire to Constantinople, to the end that the kingdom of the church forespoken of by Daniel the Prophet might have his seat at Rome: beside that it is seasoned (after Genebrards manner) with untruth of story, as that the western Emperors who succeeded Constantine for certain ages, left Rome still,