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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Then your meaning was to put the coat of Hercules upon a dwarfs body. For the Popes office is a great deal larger then judgement or definitive sentence. And when you said withal that the Evangelists, and other penners of holy write, for the execution of that function had the assistance of God, and so far could not err possibly: you seemed to insinuate that the Popes have likewise the assistance of God for the execution of their function; and can no more err in discharging of it, then could the Evangelists in writing of the ⟨p. 426⟩Gospel. But sith you see now that in function and office they may be as false, as the Gospel is true; which in every part thereof I have proved: you shall see as much in this remnant also of judgement & definitive sentence, unless you shut your eyes against the light of manifest proof. For what do you mean by saying that the promise and prayer of Christ keepeth them from erring in judgement or definitive sentence? Do you not mean that they cannot teach against the truth in a matter of faith, because the Church of Christ shall be built upon them, & their faith shall not fail, that they may strengthen their brethren.
Rainoldes. Then your meaning was to put the coate of Hercules vpon a dwarfes bodie. For the Popes office is a great deale larger then iudgement or definitiue sentence. And when you saide withall that the Euangelistes, and other penners of holy write, for the execution of that function had the assistance of God, and so farre could not erre possibly: you séemed to insinuate that the Popes haue likewise the assistance of God for the execution of their function; and can no more erre in discharging of it, then could the Euangelists in writing of the ⟨p. 426⟩Gospell. But sith you sée now that in function and office they may be as false, as the Gospell is true; which in euery parte thereof I haue proued: you shall sée as much in this remnant also of iudgement & definitiue sentence, vnlesse you shut your eies against ye light of manifest proofe. For what doo you meane by saying that the promise and prayer of Christ kéepeth them from erring in iudgement or definitiue sentence? Doo you not meane that they cannot teach against the truth in a matter of faith, because the Church of Christ shalbe built vpon them, & their faith shall not faile, that they may strengthen their brethren.