A10345:135
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Rainoldes. Neither do we say, that Christ did so mean in this, of flesh and bread. For we teach, that ithe true bread, kthe bread of God which came down from heaven and giveth ⟨p. 68⟩life unto the world, lis Christ, even mthe flesh, the very flesh of Christ, that is, Christ incarnate. The greater wrong nthey do us, who lay to our charge that we expound it not of the thing, but of a sign: themselves indeed guilty thereof, expounding it of a sacrament of Christ, where it is meant of Christ him self, othe word that was made flesh. But what if in the other place, and sundry mo, the words of the scripture be plainer in show for you then for us? It is not the show but the sense of the words, that doth import the truth, and must decide controversies. For words were ordained to open the meaning and mind of him that speaketh them. The meaning of the word of God is always true: because God, who speaketh it is ptrue, and qcannot lie. The show of it is false sometimes and deceitful: as rmen are, whose judgement this show dependeth of; and that may seem to them to be meant by it, which is not meant by God. Wherefore it is not the show, but the sense; the substance, not the semblance of the words of scriptures; that you must prove doth make for you (in points of controversy) if you will prove ought.
Rainoldes. Neither do we say, that Christ did so meane in this, of flesh and bread. For we teach, that