A10345:143
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Rainoldes. Yet the show of words doth make more for them: John baptized with water, Christ baptizeth with fire. Neither have you here so much as that evasion, (which yet if you had, were nothing to the purpose) that it is manifest to be meant, not properly, but figuratively. For there have been ksundry churches and nations these many hundred years, that used it, and do still: induced all thereto by the show of words, as manifest to be meant not figuratively, but properly, in their judgement. And your real presence hath not gone so far in the one Sacrament with this is my body: as their fiery marks have gone in the other with the holy Ghost and fire. Wherefore (to return to the point in question) although it may seem by the show of words that our Saviour promised the keys of the kingdom of heaven to Peter only: yet, sith he meant them to all the Apostles (as I have declared) your claim will be a bare show, if all your proof be show of words. And therefore, as I said, so I say again, that you must bring us forth some better evidence: or else your title will be naught.
Rainoldes. Yet the shew of words dooth make more for thē: Iohn baptized with water, Christ baptizeth with fire. Neither haue you here so much as that euasion, (which yet if you had, were nothing to the purpose) that it is manifest to be meant, not properly, but figuratiuely. For there haue béene ksundry churches and nations these many hundred yeares, that vsed it, and doo still: induced all thereto by the shew of wordes, as manifest to be meant not figuratiuely, but properly, in their iudgement. And your reall presence hath not gone so far in the one Sacrament with this is my bodie: as their firie markes haue gone in the other with the holie Ghost and fire. Wherefore (to returne to the point in questiō) although it may séeme by the shew of words that our Sauiour promised the keyes of the kingdome of heauen to Peter onely: yet, sith he meant them to all the Apostles (as I haue declared) your claime will be a bare shew, if all your proofe be shew of wordes. And therefore, as I said, so I say againe, that you must bring vs foorth some better euidence: or els your title will be naught.
- kPaul. Venet. de regionib. orientalib. li. 3. cap. 43. Matth. Paris in Henrico tert. Petr. Bizar. in histor. rer. Per sicar. lib. 10.