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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Nay, the days of other Saints, which you celebrate, as namely of Peter, Paul, and John, are the days of their death, and so are proper unto them. Wherefore you should of reason at the least celebrate our ladies assumption, as the day of her death. For though you believe not that her body is assumed, yet you will not (we trow) deny that she is dead, and her soul in glory. But you do neither celebrate that, nor any other of her proper feasts. For as for the days of her purification and annunciation, they be not proper to our Lady: but the one to Christs conception, the other to his presentation. So that she by this means shall have no festivity at all.
Hart. Nay, the dayes of other Saintes, which you celebrate, as namely of Peter, Paul, and Iohn, are the dayes of their death, and so are proper vnto them. Wherefore you should of reason at the least celebrate our ladies assumption, as the day of her death. For though you beléeue not that her bodie is assumpted, yet you wil not (we trow) deny that she is dead, and her soule in glory. But you doo neither celebrate that, nor any other of her proper feastes. For as for the dayes of her purification and annuntiation, they be not proper to our Ladie: but the one to Christes conception, the other to his presentation. So that she by this meanes shall haue no festiuitie at all.
Rainoldes. No festivity at all? What a foolish fancy is this of your rRhemists? As though the blessed virgin were like to *Diana, and the Saints of Christ to the Paynim-gods: who every one must have his feast, and if you forget or pass over any, their honour is attainted in it. But by this sentence you justify the reformed Churches: both the rest, and ours. The rest, in that you think the holy days of Saints are instituted to their honour: which corrupt opinion, and superstition growing of it, might be a sufficient cause to abolish them. Ours, in that you say that the annunciation and purification of the virgin are not proper to our Lady (as you call her,) but to Christ. Wherein you acknowledge, that the holy days of Saints which we keep, are kept to Christs honour, and not to theirs. For as the annunciation of the blessed virgin is proper unto