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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Which all the Fathers make? We had need to have bodies like the bodies of Oaks, and memories as strong as steel, to endure to read, and be sure to remember of every exposition, so much, as may ascertain us, that all the Fathers make it. Hath any man living read them all? Nay, have all the men living read them? Nay, can they show them? Can they get them? I had almost said, can they name them?
Rainoldes. Which all the Fathers make? We had néede to haue bodies like the bodies of Oakes, and memories as strong as stéele, to endure to reade, and be sure to remember of euery exposition, so much, as may ascertaine vs, that all the Fathers make it. Hath any man liuing read them all? Nay, haue all the men liuing read them? Nay, can they shewe them? Can they get them? I had almost said, can they name them?
Hart. Womeane of the Fathers which are extant commonly, and may be had and read. If many of them make it, and the rest either gainsay it not, or say nought of it: we count it to be made of all with one consent.
Hart. Womeane of the Fathers which are extant commonly, and may be had and read. If many of them make it, and the rest either gainsay it not, or say nought of it: we count it to bée made of all with one consent.
Rainoldes. That count is evil cast. For, as in the writings of Fathers which we have, some one expoundeth places of Scripture oftentimes otherwise then all the rest, t(a thing notorious and confessed:) so, it is likely that in those which we have not some places were otherwise expounded than they be in those which we have. Yet I will not deny but you had reason so to count. For else your lawyer had been dumb, and could not have spoken a word for his client. But if this be your rule of the churches exposition: then I could have made mine exposition, the churches, with a wet finger, if I would have stuffed it with the names of Fathers. For my words of Peter, that he alone made answer for all the Apostles, & received the keys together with them all, are the words of