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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Truly, I do judge no less of their learning. And, if I be of any judgement, I judge not partially in it. But think of them as you list. S. cAustin, having followed S. Cyprian in expounding a certain place of Scripture, afterward did find in Tyconius the Donatist an other exposition: which thinking to be truer, he preferred it before Cyprian's. Whereby you may see, that, although you thought as ill of Calvin and Beza, as did S. Austin of the Donatists, yet, if you had S. Austins mind, you would rather follow the sense which they give sometimes of the scriptures, then that which is given by ancient godly Fathers. Nevertheless, my mind was not of them, when I mentioned learned men. For, to what purpose? Sith I am not ignorant how small account you make of them. My mind was of your own men, who say so, and do so.
Rainoldes. Truely, I doo iudge no lesse of their learning. And, if I be of any iudgement, I iudge not parcially in it. But thinke of thē as you list. S. cAustin, hauing folowed S. Cyprian in expounding a certaine place of Scripture, afterward did finde in Tyconius the Donatist an other exposition: which thinking to be truer, he preferred it before Cyprians. Whereby you may sée, that, although you thought as yll of Caluin and Beza, as did S. Austin of the Donatists, yet, if you had S. Austins minde, you would rather follow the sense which they giue sometimes of the scriptures, then that which is giuen by auncient godly Fathers. Neuerthelesse, my minde was not of them, when I mentioned learned men. For, to what purpose? Sith I am not ignorant how small account you make of them. My minde was of your owne men, who say so, and doo so.
- cRetractation. lib. 2. cap. 18.
Hart. What? Against the Council of Trent? Who be they?