A10345:1579
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Yet the former reason which they bring from the Latin, that it is rude & barbarous, is justly challenged by lTurrian. For S. mPaul was rude in speech, but not in knowledge. And so might the Popes be.
Hart. Yet the former reason which they bring from the Latin, that it is rude & barbarous, is iustly chalenged by lTurrian. For S. mPaule was rude in speech, but not in knowledge. And so might the Popes be.
- lPro epist. Pont. l. 1. c. 17.
- m2. Cor. 11.6.
Rainoldes. Not so. For it is one thing to be *rude in speech, and simple (as you would say) without pomp & bravery: an other thing, to be barbarous. As it is one thing for a husbandman to wear home-made cloth, which many honest men do: an other thing, to go (as rogues are wont) in rags. Wherefore when Turrian saith that the Popes might write barbarously, least by choice of words they should seem to hunt for praise and vain glory: it is, as if a man should say that godly preachers ought to go in torn clothes and full of vermin▪ least by cleanly handsomeness they should seem to give themselves to pride and vanity. As for his other reason that they might do it of a desire to edify, that, in things pertaining to the salvation of all, even the simplest might understand them: the reason were some what if the common peoples speech in those days had been of so course a thread, as theirs is. For the speech of men is best understood when they declare their minds in such words & phrases, as are received commonly. But as far as I can guess,