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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. But the flower of your Doctors, dD. Payua Andradius, rebuketh this your Bishops reproof, as more rash: yea defendeth Caietan against it as a slander. He teacheth first, that the Fathers do in many places not expound the Scriptures according to the literal sense, (the only which hath weight to prove points of faith,) but allegorically and morally. We may leave their allegories and expound them literally. He teacheth next, that when they seek the literal senses of the scriptures, they do not always find them, but give divers senses one unlike an other. We may forsake their senses all, and bring a new unlike to theirs. Moreover, (to make the thing evident by examples) him self expoundeth sundry places otherwise then the Fathers have: declaring that he doth it upon sufficient ground. Again, he proveth by the sayings of the chief of the Fathers, that they spake not oracles when they expounded the Scriptures, but might therein be deceived. He showeth furthermore, that the oversights of the translation which they followed, must cause them needs to miss sometimes the right meaning of the holy Ghost. Finally, he addeth that experience forceth us to confess (unless we will be unthankful to most excellent wits) that very many things in Moses and the Prophets are in this our age expounded more exactly (through the diligence of learned men) then ever they were before. Whereupon he concludeth that the holy Ghost, the only and faithful interpreter of the Scriptures, would have many things to be known to us, which our ancestors knew not: and hath wrought by means, (unknown to us, known to him) that the Fathers noted good and godly mysteries out of very many places of the Scriptures, whereof the right and natural sense hath been found out by the posterity. This is, in few words, the judgement of Andradius, which he prosecuteth ⟨p. 74⟩more at large; in the defence of Cardinal Caietan against quarrellers; who did cavil at him because he wrote that it is lawful to go against the stream of the ancient Fathers in expounding of the Scriptures.
Rainoldes. But the flower of your Doctors, dD. Payua Andradius, rebuketh this your Bishops reproofe, as more rash: yea defendeth Caietan against it as a slander. He teacheth first, that the Fathers doo in many places not expound the Scriptures according to the literall sense, (the onely which hath weight to proue pointes of faith,) but allegorically and morally. We may leaue their allegories and expound them literally. He teacheth next, that when they seeke the literall senses of the scriptures, they doo not alwaies finde them, but giue diuers senses one vnlike an other. We may forsake their senses all, and bring a new vnlike to theirs. Moreouer, (to make the thing euident by examples) him selfe expoundeth sundry places otherwise then the Fathers haue: declaring that hée doth it vpon sufficient ground. Againe, he proueth by the sayings of the chiefe of the Fathers, that they spake not oracles whē they expounded the Scriptures, but might therein be deceiued. He sheweth furthermore, that the ouersightes of the translatiō which they followed, must cause them needes to misse sometimes the right meaning of the holie Ghost. Finally, he addeth that experience forceth vs to confesse (vnlesse we will be vnthankfull to most excellent wittes) that verie manie things in Moses and the Prophets are in this our age expounded more exactly (through the diligence of learned men) then euer they were before. Whereupon he concludeth that the holy Ghost, the onely and faithfull interpreter of the Scriptures, would haue manie things to be knowne to vs, which our auncestors knew not: and hath wrought by meanes, (vnknowne to vs, knowne to him) that the Fathers noted good and godlie mysteries out of verie manie places of the Scriptures, whereof the right and naturall sense hath beene found out by the posteritie. This is, in few words, the iudgement of Andradius, which he prosecuteth