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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Hart. I care not for the judgement of Andradius, or Caietan, or any other private man, though you could bring a hundred of them. I do not build my faith on them.
Hart. I care not for the iudgement of Andradius, or Caietan, or any other priuate man, though you could bring a hundred of them. I doo not build my faith on them.
Rainoldes. Although you care not for their judgement, yet you should care for their reasons. Of which the light is so great: that, unless a man have altogether lost his eyes, he can not choose but see the truth and brightness of them. Neither may you set so little by their judgement: chiefly the judgement of Andradius. If you do: it may be the price of his contempt will help to purchase your confusion. For, the Council of Trent, nthe fairest flower of your garland, & chiefest pillar of your faith, is but the consent of a few such, as Andradius was, or rather none such perhaps. Let 1the Italians witness it, who wondered at his gifts. They love not them selves so ill, as to wonder at common things in strangers. A great token of it, that the faith of Trent most justly charged by Kemnicius, (who tried the Spirit of the Council, and proved it the Spirit of error) found no man to defend it, but Andradius, to speak of. For 2Tiletan is a trifler, not worthy to be named the same day that he is. But let the Authors, with their reasons, be proofs of no value: and grant, that if the Fathers all consent in one, their exposition must be stood too. What, if the Fathers dissent in expounding a place of the Scripture, as oftentimes they do? Which of their expositions must we follow then?
Rainoldes. Although you care not for their iudgement, yet you should care for their reasons. Of which the light is so great: that, vnlesse a man haue altogether lost his eyes, he can not choose but see the truth and brightnesse of them. Neither may you set so litle by their iudgement: chiefly the iudgement of Andradius. If you doo: it may be the price of his contempt will helpe to purchase your confusiō. For, the Councel of Trent,