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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Not all which they have said is answered by Turrian: perhaps not this very point about Cornelius. But if you like so well of Stapletons policy to lay all on Turrian: let us ⟨p. 522⟩leave his dealing therein against the Centuries to be considered by the jury. Whom I must request withal to consider of one reason more▪ which they shall neither find in Turrian, nor in the Centuries.
Rainoldes. Not all which they haue said is answered by Turrian: perhaps not this verie point about Cornelius. But if you like so well of Stapletons policie to lay all on Turrian: let vs ⟨p. 522⟩leaue his dealing therein against the Centuries to be considered by the iury. Whom I must request withall to consider of one reason more▪ which they shall neither finde in Turrian, nor in the Centuries.
Hart. What reason is that?
Rainoldes. The judgement of three learned men of your own side, Cusanus, the Cardinal; Bellarmin, the Jesuit; and Contius, the famous Lawyer. For Cardinal bCusanus, saying, that peradventure those epistles of Clemens and Ana•letus are counterfeit, upon the which they, who would exalt the See of Rome more then is expedient and seemly for the holy Church, do ground them selves: addeth for proof thereof, that if a man first did read them over diligently, applying the state of their times to those epistles, and then were perfect in the works of all the holy Fathers who lived until Austin, Jerome, and Ambrose, and in the acts of Councils where true and authentical writings are alleged; he should find this true, that neither are the said epistles mentioned in any of those writings, yea, and the epistles being applied to the time of those holy men do betray them selves.