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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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partly, by abusing the credit of the Fathers. Which two kinds of proof do bear the greatest sway through all your Rhemish ⟨p. 554⟩Annotations.
partly, by abusing the credit of the Fathers. Which two kinds of proofe do beare the greatest sway through all your Rhemish ⟨p. 554⟩Annotations.
Hart. We do not abuse the credit of the Fathers to persuade an error: but as we endeavour to follow them in truth, so allege we them to prove the truth by them. And howsoever you avoid the place of S. Paul, where it is said, we have an altar: the prophecy of Malachi, that in every place there is sacrificed and offered a clean offering to God, must needs belong to the very and outward sacrifice of the Mass, not to spiritual sacrifices. Which because that reverend man, D▪ Allen, whose treatise of the Mass is such a moat in your eye, adoth prove by six reasons, 1the pith whereof he greatly praiseth: I will bring them forth in his own words, that you may yield the rather to them. First therefore, the word to sacrifice and to offer, being used by it self 2without a term abridging it, is taken in the scripture always properly for the act of outward sacrifice. But when it is said, the sacrifice of praise, the sacrifice of crying, the sacrifice of contrition, and the like: it is perceived easily by the words annexed that they be taken improperly. Secondly, this sacrifice, of the which the Prophet speaketh, is one: but spiritual sacrifices there are so many as there are good works of Christian religion. Thirdly, this is the proper and peculiar sacrifice of the new law, and the Gentiles, not of the Jews. But spiritual sacrifices of prayers and works are common to the Jews with us. Fourthly, this that Malachi meaneth doth succeed the sacrifices of the Jews, and is offered in their stead: but prayer, fasting, and the works of charity do not succeed any, but are joined and coupled to every kind of sacrifices. Fifthly, our works (chiefly in the judgement of heretics) are defiled, howsoever they seem beautiful: but this Prophetical offering is