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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Although Christ (we grant) did utter the words of consecration openly; and the Apostles, and Fathers, and other Churches also have kept the same rite: yet the Church of Rome is not to be condemned for taking order to the contrary. For rites may be changed as it shall seem best to them who govern the Church: and there was great reason why they should change this, to wit, mleast those words so holy and sacred should grow into contempt, whiles all in a manner knowing them, through common use, would sing them in the streets and other places not convenient. In the which respect perhaps they thought good also that the Mass and Matins, and all the Church-service should rather be in Latin, then in the vulgar ⟨p. 577⟩tongue. For of familiar use there groweth contempt: and men are wont to wonder at things which they know not; thing• common are despised.
Hart. Although Christ (we grant) did vtter the words of consecration openly; and the Apostles, and Fathers, and other Churches also haue kept the same rite: yet the Church of Rome is not to be condemned for taking order to the contrarie. For rites may be changed as it shall séeme best to them who gouerne the Church: and there was great reason why they should change this, to weete, mleast those words so holy and sacred should grow into contempt, whiles all in a maner knowing them, through common vse, would sing them in the streetes and other places not conuenient. In the which respect perhaps they thought good also that the Masse and Mattins, and all the Church-seruice should rather be in Latin, then in the vulgar ⟨p. 577⟩tongue. For of familiar vse there groweth contempt: and men are wont to wonder at things which they know not; thing• common are despised.
- mThe reason, that Pope Innocentius the third (in the same place) giveth of it.