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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. And in that also Torrensis doth […] you. For S. Austin there, writing to a Bishop who had inquired of him ⟨p. 580⟩how those words differ one from an other in S. rPaul, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, doth tell him that he thinketh thereby is understood that, which all the church, or in a manner all practiseth, to wit, that supplications are those which are made in celebrating of the sacraments before that which is upon the Lords table begin to be blessed; prayers, when it is blessed, and sanctified, and prepared to be distributed, and divided; intercessions, when the people is blessed and offered to God by their Pastors as it were by advocates; which things being done, and the sacrament received, the giving of thanks doth knit up all, which S. Paul in those words remembereth also last. Now, what is there here more for your Mass, then for our Communion? Or if our Communion, which differeth from your Mass no less then light from darkness, yet hath all these things which S. Austin toucheth as meant by S. Paul: what face hath Torrensis, who saith that S. Paul is avouched by S. Austin to have ordained all that order of doing which you call the Mass? Is this your Jesuits dealing with the ancient Fathers to make them fetch your Massing rites from the Apostles?
Rainoldes. And in that also Torrensis doth 〈…〉 you. For S. Austin there, writing to a Bishop who had inquired of him ⟨p. 580⟩how those wordes differ one from an other in S. rPaul, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giuing of thankes, doth tell him that he thinketh thereby is vnderstood that, which all the church, or in a maner all practiseth, to weete, that supplications are those which are made in celebrating of the sacramēts before that which is vpon the Lordes table beginne to bee blessed; prayers, when it is blessed, and sanctified, and prepared to be distributed, and diuided; intercessions, when the people is blessed and offered to God by their Pastours as it were by aduocates; which thinges being doon, and the sacrament receyued, the giuing of thankes doth knit vp all, which S. Paul in those wordes remmbreth also last. Now, what is there here more for your Masse, then for our Communion? Or if our Communion, which differeth from your Masse no lesse then light from darkenesse, yet hath all these thinges which S. Austin toucheth as meant by S. Paul: what face hath Torrensis, who saith that S. Paul is auouched by S. Austin to haue ordeined all that order of dooing which you call the Masse? Is this your Iesuites dealing with the auncient Fathers to make them fetch your Massing rites from the Apostles?