A10345:1790
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Nay, the circle is a ceremony proper to conjurers: and he would never have admitted it. But, in that he kept an odd number always in making of crosses upon the oblation: he did as he had learned in Rome, where he was brought up under ten of his predecessors. And that, which he learned there, was the tradition of the Apostles.
Hart. Nay, the circle is a ceremonie proper to coniurers: and he would neuer haue admitted it. But, in that he kept an odde number alwaies in making of crosses vpon the oblation: he did as he had learned in Rome, where he was brought vp vnder ten of his predecessours. And that, which he lerned there, was the tradition of the Apostles.
Rainoldes. So qhis scholar saith; and he saith truly, for sundry points of that he learned: as namely, that rthe people did, and must receive the sacrament with the Priest, and that, under both kinds. Which showeth (by the way) that your private Mass, and Communion under one kind, was against the tradition and order of the Apostles, by the judgement of the Church of Rome and Popes them selves *above a thousand years after Christ. But the making of crosses on the sacrament still in an odd number was so far from being a thing delivered by the Apostles, that the Church of Rome had then begun it lately, if yet the Church began it, and not Pope Hildebrand were rather the father & first inventor of that mystery. For Bishop sAmalarius, who lived two hundred years or thereabout before Hildebrand, and did both know and reverence the order of the Church of Rome, having said that it sufficeth to make a cross once upon the bread and wine, because Christ was once crucified, addeth, that it is not amiss to make it twice, because he was crucified for two kinds of people, that is, the Jews and the Gentiles. Whereto