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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. I know that S. Austin doth entreat rather of the substance of the Mass, then of the ceremonies, in that place. But lin the other which I cited he doth entreat of customs: and so, that he proveth the ceremonies of the Mass to have come from the Apostles. For of the things (saith he) which we keep by tradition, it is to be thought that such as are observed through the whole world were either ordained by the Apostles them selves, or by general Councils. Wherefore sith the ceremonies of incense, lights, vestments, and other of the like sort were not ordained by general Councils: it followeth by S. Austin, that the Apostles did ordain them.
Hart. I know that S. Austin doth intreate rather of the substance of the Masse, then of the ceremonies, in that place. But lin the other which I cited he doth intreate of customes: and so, that he proueth the ceremonies of the Masse to haue come from the Apostles. For of the thinges (saith he) which we keepe by tradition, it is to bee thought that such as are obserued through the whole world were either ordeined by the Apostles them selues, or by generall Councels. Wherefore sith the ceremonies of incense, lightes, vestiments, and other of the like sorte were not ordeined by generall Councels: it followeth by S. Austin, that the Apostles did ordeine them.
- lEpist. 118.2• Januarium.Epist. 118.2• Ianuarium.
Rainoldes. That rule of S. Austin, is probable, not necessary. For though it be likely that there was no custom observed by the Church through the whole world, which it had not from the Apostles, chiefly, seeing m