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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. But you have not proved that they were used through the whole world, either by S. Austin, or by S. Denis. oNay, that Denis (who so ever he were,) doth prove the contrary. For in his description of the Mass (as you call it) there are neither lights, nor vestments, nor crossings, nor all the other ceremonies: whereby it is manifest that they were not used through the whole world when that Denis wrote. As for incense, howsoever it crept into that Church in the which he lived: it appeareth by the writings of pTertullian, and qArnobius, that the Church used it not in their days. Neither is the censing, which Denis speaketh of, liker to yours: then (I ⟨p. 590⟩showed) your blessings are like to S. Austins. For rhe hath it only once about the Church. But in syour solemn Mass it is used often, and to sundry things: to the cross, to relics, to images, to candlesticks, to the altar, the lower part of it, and the higher, to the Priests, to the book, to the bread and wine, thrice above the chalice, and the host, and thrice about them, to the altar, and the Priest again and again, to the quire, to the deacon, to the subdeacon, to the people; and, in Masses for the dead, to the sacrament also at the time of the elevation. So that, if the words of the tTrent-council be weighed with your practise: you will leese the countenance of that which Denis showeth to. For with him it is incense in the singular number. Your Masses and the Council hau• *incenses in the plural. By the which word if the Council meant to note all the censinges that are used in Massing, as they did of likelihood: then neither Denis maketh for your Massing-incense. Though, whatsoever he make, he maketh nought for your reason: because he proveth not that it was used through the whole world. Now the lights, which your Jesuit hath found in S.