A10345:1933
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Hart. Nay, I would translate here, presbyter, a Priest: but, for sacerdotes, I would say Bishops. For that is S. Austins meaning in these places where he doth name them sacerdotes.
Rainoldes. So syour translator doth. But the word Bishop is our English of episcopus. And what if episcopus chance to come in too, with sacerdos, and presbyter? How will you express them? As where in 2the Canons collected by Isidore touching the order of keeping Councils, he saith that sacerdotes first must enter in, and after them presbytery: your 3Lawyer noteth on it, Vide ut sacerdotes vocet episcopos veteri more, quem ignorantes ⟨p. 621⟩plerique presbyteros sacerdotes appellari promiscuè stuliè opinantur. Wherein, if you translate sacerdotes, Bishops, and presbyteros, Priests: then your Lawyer saith (which were a wise speech) that Isidore calleth Bishops Bishops, after the old manner, which many not knowing do foolishly think that Priests are called Bishops indifferently.
Rainoldes. So syour translatour doth. But the word Bishop is our English of episcopus. And what if episcopus chaunce to come in too, with sacerdos, and presbyter? How will you expresse them? As where in 2the Canons collected by Isidore touching the order of keeping Councels, he saith that sacerdotes first must enter in, and after them presbyteri: your 3Lawier noteth on it, Vide vt sacerdotes vocet episcopos veteri more, quem ignorantes