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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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But your Doctor saith qthat all heretics, and Jews, & Paynims use these means, they confer places, they note the kind of speeches, they look upon the fountains, they mark what goeth before, what cometh after, & such like things. If they do not so: your Doctor over-lasheth. If they do so: they do more then himself doth in many controversies of faith, which yet he teacheth publicly, and printeth them too. What? And do all heretics, Jews and Paynims use these means: and doth none of them see the churches practise; mark the consent of Fathers; read the decrees of councils? If any of them do; which it is evident many do: then by as wise a reason, as your Doctor maketh, these his own means are not sure neither. Which were a sore consequence, and would raze the church of Rome unto the ground. Let him bethink him self thereof, and heal the breaches, which (if he look not to it) his own shot will make in the walls of his Jerusalem. As for us and our means, if any seem to use them, and yet miss the right sense of the scripture: I say with rS. Austin (whom this quarrel maketh as much against, as us;) If they who know these precepts, cannot see the things which are obscure and dark in the Scriptures of God, the fault is in them selves, not in the precepts: as if I should point with my finger at a star, which they would gladly see, and their eye-sight were so weak, that although they could see my finger, yet could they not see the star at which I point. Wherefore as S. Austin concludeth of them, Let them cease to blame me, and let them pray to God, that he will give them eye-sight: so we do acknowledge that all means are vain, unless the Lord give eyes to see: whom therefore the sProphet made his prayer to, Open mine eyes, that I may see the wonders of thy law.
But your Doctor saith qthat al heretikes, and Iewes, & Paynims vse these meanes, they conferre places, they note the kinde of speeches, they looke vpon the fountains, they marke what goeth before, what commeth after, & such like things. If they doo not so: your Doctor ouer-lasheth. If they doo so: they doo more then himselfe dooth in many cōtrouersies of faith, which yet he teacheth publikely, and printeth them too. What? And do all heretikes, Iewes and Paynims vse these meanes: and doth none of them sée the churches practise; marke the consent of Fathers; read the decrees of councels? If anie of them doo; which it is euident many doo: then by as wise a reason, as your Doctor maketh, these his owne meanes are not sure neyther. Which were a sore consequence, and would raze the church of Rome vnto the ground. Let him bethinke him selfe thereof, and heale the breaches, which (if he looke not to it) his owne shot will make in the walles of his Ierusalem. As for vs and our meanes, if any seeme to vse them, and yet misse the right sense of the scripture: I say with