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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Whereof in that he gathereth that I allow not the expositions of the Fathers, yea, that I affirm that it is a mark and token of a false Church to admit the joint-consent of the Fathers in expounding of the scripture: he doth me great wrong. For, though by following too much brevity in Latin, I fell into obscurity, and said not so plainly that which I would, and should, as in the English now I have: yet that which I said, doth clear me of his slander, as D. 1Fulke hath showed; whom I can better thank for his defending of me, then deserve ⟨p. 747⟩the praise that he hath given me therein. Nay, I was so far from noting that as faulty in the Church of Rome, that the fault which I noted was her vile abusing the name of the Fathers against their judgement in that point. For I declared straight in the words ensuing, that first she authorizeth thereby her own practise, as the right sense and meaning of the Scripture, though contrary to it self: next, she alloweth the puddles of the Schoolmen, & will have them taken for waters of life: lastly, when some Fathers gainsay her, she rejecteth them, because they all consent not and admitteth them who do make for her, as having hit the mark. Of the which branches the last importeth not that I refuse the Fathers consenting all in one. The former two import that I condemn the frenzy of the Church of Rome, maintaining her Dunses and deeds against the Fathers. But ythe serpents assembled in the Council of Trent, have set down that I spake of (touching the expounding of the scripture) so subtly: that a simple man would think they allow such senses and meanings of the Scripture only, as the Fathers give all with one consent. Whereas in very trueth they do nothing less: they disallow them rather. For whether by *the Fathers consenting all in one, they mean the Fathers all, simply, none excepted; that consent is a Phoenix, and never will be found: or whether they mean a good number of them, as zM. Hart expoundeth it▪ they dissent from senses agreed on by that number. For example, the scripture saith,