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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Some such thing it is, that your men would say. But (to confess mine own ignorance) I do not understand what they mean by it. Which I should perhaps be ashamed off, if you (who handle it) your selves did understand it, or gave us sense and reason of it. For, if all the power, which Bishops have, as Bishops, be the power of the keys; and the Apostles, as Apostles, had all the power of the keys committed unto them by Christ; both the which things the Scriptures prove, & you disprove not: then was there no power, which they might receive of Peter, as Bishops; and therefore they did not receive any of him, nor were inferior to him therein▪ Yet this is the very foundation of the Papacy: but laid on such sand, that the master builders who travail most in laying it, do reel (like drunken men) about it, too and fro; and stricken with a blindness, as gthe Sodomites at Lots doo•e, they are wearied in seeking of it. Cardinal hTurrecremata, the chiefest author of the fancy, is of this opinion, that iChrist brought the rest of his Apostles to bishoply dignity by Peter: even as he lead his people through the wilderness, by the hand of Moses & Aaron. kFor him self made Peter only, a Bishop, immediately; and Peter preferred the rest, ⟨p. 118⟩first John, next James, then others: as the Cardinal guesseth by probabilities of dreams, some in the Canon law, some of his own brain. lTurrian the Jesuit, (a man, with whom such dreams commonly are oracles) though he allow Peter to be the father of the Apostles, yet thinking this manner of fathering him to be absurd, he saith that the Apostles were all ordained Bishops, aby the laying (as it were) of the fiery tongues upon them, when they received the holy Ghost. And this he proveth by S. Jerome, S. Denis, and other Fathers. Of whose opinion it ensueth, that, granting the Apostles were ordained Bishops, as in a general sense, (in which their charge is called