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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. You deprave his words. For he saith that this is the greatest difference between Peter and the rest of the Apostles, that Christ gave to Peter the power of regiment, or to command: to the Apostles only the power of government, or to execute: because in government of the church Peter must prescribe, what should be done, and they must execute it.
Hart. You depraue his wordes. For he saith that this is the greatest difference betweene Peter and the rest of the Apostles, that Christ gaue to Peter the power of regiment, or to commaund: to the Apostles only the power of gouernmēt, or to execute: because in gouernment of the church Peter must prescribe, what should be done, and they must execute it.
Rainoldes. I deprave them not, unless he speak sottishly, ⟨p. 123⟩he knoweth not him self what. For his drift is, to prove, that the Apostles all had equal power given them by Christ, but with a threefold difference: of which this is one, that they had equal power (forsooth) to do and execute all things that appertain to the building of the Church; but so, that Peter had the power of regiment, to command, the rest of the Apostles the power of government, to execute. Which is as ridiculous, as if a man would say, that the Queens Majesty and the Sheriffs of London have equal power both: yet with a difference, to wit, that her Majesty hath the power of regiment, that is, to command, when a traitor shall suffer, and the Sheriffs the power of government, that is, to execute that which she commandeth. If you should preach thus in London: our Londoners would smile at it. I think that this heresy hath made our wits dull. Your Catholic distinctions are so sharp and subtle, that we cannot conceive them.
Rainoldes. I depraue them not, vnlesse he speake sottishly, ⟨p. 123⟩he knoweth not him selfe what. For his drift is, to proue, that the Apostles all had equall power giuen them by Christ, but with a threefold difference: of which this is one, that they had equall power (forsooth) to doo and execute all things that appertaine to the building of the Church; but so, that Peter had the power of regiment, to commaund, the rest of the Apostles the power of gouernment, to execute. Which is as ridiculous, as if a man would say, that the Queenes Maiestie and the Sheriffes of London haue equall power both: yet with a difference, to witte, that her Maiestie hath the power of regiment, that is, to commaund, when a traitor shall suffer, and the Sheriffes the power of gouernment, that is, to execute that which shee commandeth. If you should preach thus in London: our Londoners would smile at it. I thinke that this heresie hath made our wits dull. Your Catholike distinctions are so sharpe and subtill, that wee cannot conceiue them.