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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. I have proved that Peter had no such headship over them. You barely say the contrary, and repeat it still. This is a fault in reasoning, condemned of the pLogicians by the name of begging that which is in controversy. I pray use it not: but either prove that you say, or hold your peace and cease to say it.
Rainoldes. I haue proued that Peter had no such headship ouer them. You barely say the contrary, and repeat it still. This is a fault in reasoning, condemned of the pLogicians by ye name of begging that which is in controuersie. I pray vse it not: but either proue that you say, or hold your peace and cease to say it.
- pAristot. in Reprehens. Sophist.
Hart. I will prove it *by the circumstances of the words of Christ qsaying unto Peter, Dost thou love me more then these? Feed my lambs. Dost thou love me? Feed my sheep. Dost thou love me? Feed my sheep. Wherein, sundry principal points are to be noted. First, he requireth of him an open profession and testimony of his love, to this intent that he may put him in trust with his flock. Secondly, he requireth not only that he love him, but also that he love him more then the rest: that to him as loving him more then the rest, he may give power above the rest. Thirdly, he asketh him thrice, if he love him; and the former times with the word [Greek or Hebrew], the last with [Greek or Hebrew], which noteth fervent love. With the which word also Peter had answered him still. Fourthly, he saith unto him thrice also, feed. And, to pass over the sheep and the lambs, whereof I spake before; fifthly, the first charge of feeding the lambs, & the last of the sheep are uttered with the Greek word [Greek or Hebrew], that is, feed, the second of the sheep, hath [Greek or Hebrew] that is, rule: to show that the lambs, even lay-men (as I said) are only to be fed; but the sheep, I mean, Bishops and Pastors, are both to be fed and to be ruled of Peter. Sixthly the word, to feed, hath a great force, and signifieth a power most full and absolute: as the which implieth all other actions of ecclesiastical regiment. For they are all directed to the food of souls. There are observed more such notes to like effect: but either not so pithy and sound as these are, or treated of already. Wherefore I content my self with these six. Which if you lay together, and mark what may be said in several for each of them: you have enough to prove a great worthiness of Peter, in any mans judgement; in ours, a supremacy.