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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. But they must be ruled of their next Pastors, and so, by consequent, of the Pope: because their Pastors must be ruled of him, as Pastor of Pastors.
Rainoldes. Nay: but the Pastors are not to be ruled by the Pope neither, if this fancy hold. For in your Latin authentical translation pthe clause which doth answer to the Greek word hath not sheep but lambs. Whereupon qyour Rhemists also note the same as spoken of lambs, [Greek or Hebrew], feed & rule. So that, howsoever he lay hold on others by yt Greek word compared with your Latin text: yet his rule & government of Bishops & Pastors is shaken of thereby. And this is as much as half of his supremacy: nay all, by a consequent. For his claim lieth, first, over Bishops: and then, by means of Bishops, over the whole church. Thus while you devise by quirks of your own to underprop the Pope, you lay him on the ground: & do him more harm by crazing of the word [Greek or Hebrew], then good by fortifying of [Greek or Hebrew]. For although it signify to feed, in such sort, as shepherds do their sheep, and so consequently to rule them, and guide them, in all respects ⟨p. 116⟩as shepherds do, for the preserving of them: yet that charge of ruling belonged not to Peter alone peculiarly, but was and is common unto all shepherds. Our English tongue answereth not to the felicity of the greek and latin in making evident proof hereof. For in the greek words [Greek or Hebrew], & [Greek or Hebrew], and in the Latin pastor & pasco, the matter would be plainer. But yet in our English, a shepherd, and, to feed in that sort with ruling, are *yoked so together by link (as I may term it) of reason and sense, though it appear not in link and likeness of words: that as many as are called to the function of 1